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But he's basically a clearly superior rendition of Dolph Ziggler, and while Ziggler has largely stayed stuck in limbo, he's been a valuable midcarder to the company for quite a while. Zayn hasn't worked out very well so far on the main roster, but I don't buy that it can't work if they booked him better.

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07-24-2016 , 09:14 PM

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gusmahler

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Yeah, it's too soon to write off Zayn. Especially now with the brand split freeing up mid-card spots.

Speaking of spots, that was a nasty brainbuster on the apron spot.

But saying he's a better version of Ziggler is unfair. He's better in the ring, but Ziggler is better on the mic.

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07-24-2016 , 09:16 PM

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these guys are so good

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07-24-2016 , 09:17 PM

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The frog splash really should be a finisher, either for Owens or Seth. It looks to cool to always result in a kick out.

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07-24-2016 , 09:17 PM

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JimHalpert

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fight forever

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07-24-2016 , 09:17 PM

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If Zayn's wrestling career doesn't work out, at least he's got his rap thing to fall back on....

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07-24-2016 , 09:18 PM

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This match started out really meh and really picked up

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07-24-2016 , 09:18 PM

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But saying he's a better version of Ziggler is unfair. He's better in the ring, but Ziggler is better on the mic.

I don't think the gap on the mic is that big, though I would grant that Dolph is a better talker. More to the point, they play a similar role in being bumpers who play the underdog role to the hilt. Just speaking to the fact that WWE clearly uses and values that type.

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07-24-2016 , 09:19 PM

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LOL, Zayn pulls off some crazy moves, then he botches a leg on the rope spot.

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07-24-2016 , 09:19 PM

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This match started out really meh and really picked up

+1, they salvaged that nicely.

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07-24-2016 , 09:20 PM

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07-24-2016 , 09:21 PM

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Awesome match!

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07-24-2016 , 09:21 PM

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Great match with a couple botches

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07-24-2016 , 09:21 PM

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its weird i know, but it bothers me when the announcers talk about stealing the show or having a 5 star match or whatever right after a match ends

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07-24-2016 , 09:22 PM

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Loved that end. Such great story telling.

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07-24-2016 , 09:22 PM

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I'm so looking forward to Graves on Raw.

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07-24-2016 , 09:22 PM

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Sammy's problem right now is he relies on great matches to get over ... you can't do that every week on TV .... every PPV is hard enough.

They just need to give him an angle that builds his underdog character.

I can't decide if they dgaf about KO (always jobs, drafted so low) or if they think he's so over that he can job all the time and not have it affect him

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07-24-2016 , 09:22 PM

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Just tuned in for the Zayn/Owens match.

Did I miss anything besides Bayley?

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07-24-2016 , 09:23 PM

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graves on raw is going to be great. i think hes the best right now even though I love mauro

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07-24-2016 , 09:23 PM

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redirkulous

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wow Graves to raw is awesome.

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07-24-2016 , 09:23 PM

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Just tuned in for the Zayn/Owens match.

Did I miss anything besides Bayley?

Not really. Some good work by Xavier Woods in the first six-man, but nothing you would need to go back and see.

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07-24-2016 , 09:24 PM

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Just tuned in for the Zayn/Owens match.

Did I miss anything besides Bayley?

id watch it all honestly.

bayley was great and the match was good
xavier did some pretty awesome work imo in the match vs the wyatts
rusev did cool rusev things
sami/ko crushed it

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07-24-2016 , 09:24 PM

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SHow has been great but I'm so tempted to turn off the TV right now

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07-24-2016 , 09:25 PM

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Until they showed that video, I forgot that the start of the feud was just "we need another heel, so we're going to have Nattie randomly attack her partner for absolutely no reason."