i've been thinking about undertaking a little project where i rank wrestlers based on their stats/accomplishments and figured it would be a good time since it seems activity in this subforum has been very high as of late.

it would be pretty straightforward; basically just assign a number value to a particular accolade. for example, 10 points for a world championship, 3 points for a tag title, etc.

rather than begin the process on my own, post the results, and have the methodology **** on, i figured it would make more sense to discuss the process and point values before digging in.

at a minimum, i think we should be including all of the obvious WWE/WCW/ECW titles, including defunct titles (e.g., wwe hardcore title, wwe european title). some other issues to consider:

-include "secondary" company titles such as NWA? japanese titles?

-assign point value for temporal accomplishments? in other words, 100 days as title holder = x point? this would probably be necessary to balance pre-attitude era reigns with modern reigns.

I did something like this a few years ago but it's on an old computer and I can't be bothered to dig it up.

Nice idea, I will be willing to help out. One of the things I found was that it's better to use number of days as champion rather than number of title reigns as people like Cena/Orton have over 10 title reigns but some of them were like 2 weeks or less, whereas Bruno had 2 reigns for a total of 12 years which I think is a better achievement.

IIRC, number one when I did mine was:



although I wasn't completely happy with the points system I used. And it was WWE only. I started doing an all round one but didn't get very far.

yeah i think it's necessary to somehow account for time as champion. i do think there's something to be said for number of actual reigns though. i'm not such which i'd rather weigh more heavily but i would personally lean toward time. definitely want to avoid raven and his 30 hardcore titles from being the #1 wrestler of all time lol...


on the other hand, if we did it by time alone then it's hard to imagine anyone other than bruno having a chance at #1 (which seems wrong). totally off the top of my head right now - but let's say we did 10 points for world title, and 2 points for every 100 days as champion.

that would put HHH at 130 points + 22 points (13 world titles for 1155 combines days) = 152 points.

bruno - 20 points + 80 points = 100 points

hogan - 60 points + 42 points = 102 points


this seems wrong to me too (and this isn't even counting HHH secondary titles). i'll try to figure some stuff out while i veg out on the network.

Actually, it might be better to do it by number of title defences rather than amount of time, since someone holding the title for a year and defending every week should be better than someone holding for 10 years and defending once a year. Just give big points for a title win and then some extra points for each defence.

that would seem really hard to figure out though. especially for older guys.

A method like this could be ok. I would probably give more points to the WWE title than WHC but if you're scoring them the same then WCW should be the same too which would give Hogan more points. 100 days should only get you extra points if it's within the same reign imo.

i think the first step is ranking the accomplishments themselves, and then we could assign point values to each of them. hopefully this will spark some discussion:

1. wwe world title/wcw world title

2. ecw world title/nwa world title

3. intercontinental title/us title

4. wwe tag team title/wcw tag team title

5. wwe european title/wcw tv title/wcw cruiserweight title/wwe lightheavyweight title/nwa tag titles/ecw tag titles

6. wwe hardcore title/ecw tv title


some thoughts:

--royal rumble and KOTR worth adding?

--obvious issue is that different titles are valued at different levels of prestige within different time periods. with the above list i tried to "average out" their relative prestige levels, but welcome criticism.

Good stuff. I personally like the NWA Title as a #1. That was the only title that meant anything to me when I was growing up (late 70s/early 80s). I like adding RR and KOTR.

yeah i was having a hard time with the NWA title. the problem is that it used to be a very prestigious title, arguably on par with the other #1s, but has since fallen of so drastically that it's hard to keep it in that top tier. then again, it might still be more prestigious than the ecw title.

would be interested to hear if anyone else has a thought

It would appear that Jethro and Milky will have to be 1a and 1b on the list.

The old NWA title is very close in stature to the WWF/E Championship. Where does the AWA title fit in this discussion?

i don't know what to do with AWA but it did cross my mind.

what do you think? im not an expert on AWA and NWA but my sense is that NWA was a bit more prestigious?

Bockwinkel or Gagne are certainly not as good as Flair, Race or Rhodes. The AWA had solid attendance for a number of years.

Gagne is tough to compare because I didn't see his prime years, but Bockwinkel is definitely on the same tier as Race and Rhodes in my book. I'd say the NWA World Title in the top tier until the early 1990's and then you can drop it down a couple notches from then on (probably to IC level or worse). The AWA Title is probably in the second tier until the mid-80's.

Bockwinkel's biggest strength was making his opponent look like a million bucks.

Where would the TNA or ROH title be placed? They both certainly have had several talented performers over the years.

i would actually like to include TNA and ROH, but i'm inclined to put them on a lower tier, perhaps even lower than the intercontinental/us title tier depending on what you guys think.


we could work something out where NWA titles are worth X points until a certain date - let's say 1995 for sake of argument - and X points beyond such date. shouldnt be too much of a headache.

i agree AWA should be included.

I think September 13, 1993 is a good date to move the NWA title to a lower tier. This is when WCW left the NWA and WCW continued to recognize Flair as their champ. The NWA title was officially vacated until Shane Douglas won a tournament on 8/27/94.