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03-13-2012 , 10:29 PM
But did you notice that the Elimination Chamber PPV had a discusion thread?
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03-13-2012 , 11:22 PM
Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger
Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson
Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta
Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk
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03-14-2012 , 12:35 AM
Terry Funk vs. Hulk Hogan (Funk is the man)
Mick Foley vs. Kenta Kobashi (This was tough but I have too many fond memories of Foley)
Undertaker vs. Rogers
Rock vs. Piper

Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger
Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson
Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta
Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk
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03-14-2012 , 12:48 AM
Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger
Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson
Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta
Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk
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03-14-2012 , 02:15 AM
My votes, not including match-ups where I don't know enough about one of the wrestlers:
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03-14-2012 , 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTheInternet
My votes, not including match-ups where I don't know enough about one of the wrestlers:
El oh el.

Weak
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03-14-2012 , 08:07 AM
Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger
Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson
Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta
Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk
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03-14-2012 , 08:41 AM
Terry Funk vs. Hulk Hogan
Mick Foley vs. Kenta Kobashi
Undertaker vs. Rogers
Rock vs. Piper

Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger
Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson
Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta
Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk
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03-14-2012 , 11:45 AM
Some very close Matchups in Bracket 3, round 2. Was it the right thing for THIS TOURNAMENT for HHH to advance?

Spoiler:
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03-14-2012 , 11:47 AM
Could Edge overcome Vader's size advantage?

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03-14-2012 , 11:54 AM
Who gets Dylan's vote against Bret Hart this round?

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03-14-2012 , 11:56 AM
Bracket 3:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=422231

Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 11:57 AM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 11:58 AM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 12:08 PM
Not much time for write-ups:

Terry Funk vs. Hulk Hogan

Mick Foley vs. Kenta Kobashi

Undertaker vs. Rogers

This one is hard to figure out, as I've mentioned before in previous rounds, it's difficult to place the importance of being in the greatest wrestler of a certain time period in comparison to someone that is one of the best during a bigger, more popular time period. Rogers was probably the biggest draw in the sport for like 15 years, so I think he has to be the pick here, but I understand the Undertaker side as well.

Rock vs. Piper

Ric Flair vs. Jushin Liger

Randy Savage vs. Arn Anderson

I just think it's hilarious that Arn Anderson keeps moving on, considering I wouldn't have even put him in the tournament; this has to be the end though.

Chris Jericho vs. Great Muta

These two would probably be in my Final Four for a greatest of the 2000's (with Cena and Kobashi probably), but other than that, these two aren't even close. Keiji Mutoh is in the discussion of the greatest wrestler of all-time amongst people who are familiar with wrestling on a global scale, while Jericho is one of a group that are in the discussion for best of a certain decade in his home promotion.

Andre the Giant vs. CM Punk

I don't think either of these are in my Top 16, but Punk is closer. I love Andre as much as the next guy, but Andre was a one time world champion and didn't become a main event star until he was way past his athletic prime. Even in his athletic prime his drawing power was based more on his freakish size than anything wrestling related, which was why he went region to region constantly to stay fresh. Andre was also hurt massively by Vince Sr. who basically changed his wrestling style from being a really athletic big man to being some kind of freak immovable object character. You really have to look at his time in Japan to see what kind of athlete he was in his prime. I think you can't overlook CM Punk's time as a main eventer in IWA Mid-South and RoH when you're evaluating his career and just say that him not being the top guy in WWE right now is enough to pick Andre over him.
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03-14-2012 , 12:10 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moorobot
Bracket 3:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=422231

Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
Austin
Misawa
Thesz(rough for me cause I am a edge mark. If this was a enterence music draft, edge wins hands down)
Hart
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03-14-2012 , 12:16 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 12:19 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta

I think less of the Attitude Era than most and I missed a 3 year chunk of Austin's prime years, but Tsuruta had a 26 year amazing career. His greatest feuds are definitely with Misawa and Tenryu, but he fought about everyone during that time and had great matches with Stan Hansen, the Funks, Nick Bockwinkel, Harley Race, and of course the other well-known Japanese wrestlers. I have Tsuruta in my top 10 of all-time probably.

John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa

Misawa is probably bigger in Japan than Cena is here among wrestling fans, added to that his contributions with Noah and the bazillion 5* matches.

Lou Thesz vs. Edge

Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit

I think Benoit's success internationally with NJPW and CMLL is the difference for me between these two. I think they reached similar levels of popularity and success in North America and Benoit's ability to transfer to other styles puts him slightly in front for me.
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03-14-2012 , 12:20 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yankeys316
Keiji Mutoh is in the discussion of the greatest wrestler of all-time amongst people who are familiar with wrestling on a global scale
i doubt this. every puro board i've visited has taken a dump on Mutoh and after seeing a few of his matches I can see why. he's had a couple of great matches for sure and those being vs. Chono, vs. Hashimoto, w/Chono vs Sasaki/Hase, his "Muta scale" match vs. Hase (which sucked for 10-15 minutes before the blading). i see nothing more than him being popular with the casual fan (which clearly you're not).

i saw you put him above Kawada earlier and didn't want to say anything because to each their own. Just in Japan there are at least 10 people that are so much better than Mutoh that i can name in a few seconds (the Funks, Hansen, Jumbo, Kawada, Misawa, Taue, Kobashi, Akiyama, Tenryu, Hashimoto, Baba, and the list goes on i'm sure) <--- 12 people...even Tanahashi now.
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03-14-2012 , 12:28 PM
I finally did have to take Benoit's tragic demise into the equation this round. Many of us, myself included, have been taking "what this guy did for the industry" into account in our votes, and I do think that the black eye that Benoit gave wrestling is fair game in judging that sub-factor. That's not to say that he didn't positively contribute to the evolution of great technical ringwork, but he wasn't exactly an innovator...he was kind of an enhanced Dynamite Kid in the ring.

He was awesome and I think I voted for him this far, but I think Bret was noticeably bigger on the North American stage, was more influential in the world of wrestling as a whole, and by default was better ambassador for the industry.

I can't begrudge the Benoit votes, but I do disagree with them.
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03-14-2012 , 12:47 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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03-14-2012 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chargers In 09
i doubt this. every puro board i've visited has taken a dump on Mutoh and after seeing a few of his matches I can see why. he's had a couple of great matches for sure and those being vs. Chono, vs. Hashimoto, w/Chono vs Sasaki/Hase, his "Muta scale" match vs. Hase (which sucked for 10-15 minutes before the blading). i see nothing more than him being popular with the casual fan (which clearly you're not).

i saw you put him above Kawada earlier and didn't want to say anything because to each their own. Just in Japan there are at least 10 people that are so much better than Mutoh that i can name in a few seconds (the Funks, Hansen, Jumbo, Kawada, Misawa, Taue, Kobashi, Akiyama, Tenryu, Hashimoto, Baba, and the list goes on i'm sure) <--- 12 people...even Tanahashi now.
Like you said, to each their own. Mutoh is personally my favorite wrestler of all-time, but objectively speaking, I don't know what more any one person could accomplish than he has.

I'm not saying from a purely wrestling ability standpoint he's on the same level as any of the people you mentioned, because he's not, but pro wrestling is more than just about great wrestling. Mutoh is just plain entertaining when he's in a wrestling arena, whether it's from a wrestling standpoint, or ring psychology aspects, or the non-sensical antics, or the theatrical entrances, or the spectacle of his various costumes through the Muta years.

Even if you were to isolate his puro career and didn't account for his worldwide impact and legacy, I still think he's only behind Tsuruta, Misawa, Tenryu, and maybe Kobashi as far as puro greatness goes.

Also, being popular with casual fans is a good thing.
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03-14-2012 , 01:10 PM
Steve Austin vs. Jumbo Tsuruta
John Cena vs. Mitsuharu Misawa
Lou Thesz vs. Edge
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit
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