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teejayC · 08-13-2012, 09:11 AM

One of our newest and most popular residents (TradeOC) brought up an idea in the fantasy football thread that I had thinking about for a while - a fantasy wrestling league. The basic premise would be to draft a team of wrestlers (probably WWE only since scoring would get awkward otherwise), and they would get awarded points for appearances, winning matches, winning titles etc.

The purpose of this thread is mainly to get the rules ironed out and to get an idea of how many people are interested. Here are the posts from the other thread with suggestions:

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Originally Posted by TradeOC

Hey guys we should start like a Fantasy Wrestling League. We each draft like 5-6 Wrestlers on Raw and Smackdown. Each Match won is worth a certain amount of Points. If they win a Belt more Points. If loses a match then minus points. PPV matches won or lost will be worth more +/-. Any other Point ideas? I mean since we are all here watching each night we should pick wrestlers and tally up points and winner gets something cool and loser and to do something....It could start now until Wrestlemania.

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Originally Posted by anguyen92

As good as that idea is, there is too many flaws to it. Whoever gets Cena, Sheamus, or Punk as a pick, will automatically win the draft, where's the fun to it?

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Originally Posted by Burdzthewurd

Could have something like Fanduel in auction format where we get to pick a group of 6-7 wrestlers for Raw/Smackdown that week and go head-to-head with each other. Have pinfalls count for 4, submissions 6, DQ/CO wins 2, tag matches a pin counts as 2, winning a belt gets 10, losing a belt -5, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by teejayC

I was thinking about this a while ago actually and think it's a decent idea. I think we should wait until the year ends though and run it through the next calendar year. I was thinking all wrestlers would be eligible but would be down for WWE only too (although WWE guys would obv be worth more in general anyway since they have more TV shows and PPVs).

So three people automatically win the draft? I think it would work fine. I think teams should be bigger than 5/6 each though.

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Originally Posted by teejayC

Actually upon further reflection WWE only seems the way to go. Could give appearance points something like Wrestlemania > Rumble/Summerslam/Survivor Series > Other PPVs > RAW > Smackdown > Superstars/NXT with extra points for winning (pinfall/submission > countout/DQ obv). Points for Championships with maybe extra points for each month they hold they title. I think total points would work better than head to head.

Edit - Actually extra points for title defences would be better than giving points for each month the title is held.

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Originally Posted by TradeOC

Nice I like to see people like this Idea.....How about maybe drafting new teams each month? Becasue your right if you get Cena or Punk it will be unfair to the rest if you have them the whole year. Teams should be like 10-12 wrestlers b.c obviously we will all score big points on the Big time wrestlers but what will really count is those later round wrestlers we pick like the for example: Tyson Kidd or Jinder Mahal etc....will be the game changers.....Ill start putting together some **** together. I say we start soon to work out the kinks so when we do it again after Mania next year. We will all be used to the format. I say we start the draft and Summerslam will start the Season.....

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Originally Posted by teejayC

Honestly I don't think having a Punk or Cena would automatically win you the league. But if people are concerned about that we could always redraft the first rounders each month with a random order each time. I don't think entire teams should be redrafted each month.

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Originally Posted by TradeOC

Thats a good idea and also s*** can change so quickly month by month...Like Punk right now has has the strap for almost a year but ya know one month Punk could be hot, the next it could be Cena....Id feel bad for someone that would have picked Jack Swagger....Major bust so far this year LMFAO....Funny thing is if we did the draft right after Mania he would prob be a #2 rounder haha. Same with Randy Orton lol....We can also have Suspension Penalties, If you have a Wrestler on your team that gets suspended (Steriods, Drug use) you lose MAJOR Points (Orton, Mysterio etc....) maybe loss of a draft pick in the next months draft? Since Suspensions rarely happen but they do and the person should be hit hard with penalties.

Post in here if you are interested and give suggestions on what you think the rules/scoring system should be. I will post my own ideas for a scoring system later when I've given it more thought; I just wanted to get this thread up so others can give their opinions.

(TradeOC I'm happy for you to run this if you want, just thought I'd throw the thread out there).

**LKJ** · 08-13-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by teejayC

TradeOC I'm happy for you to run this if you want,

dnkyhunter31 · 08-13-2012, 10:07 AM

Most popular. Well played.

Maybe in

El Kabong · 08-13-2012, 10:10 AM

I don't know how these things work but if it doesn't envolve much time then I'm in.

teejayC · 08-13-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I don't know how these things work but if it doesn't envolve much time then I'm in.

It hasn't been decided how it will work yet, that's what this thread is for. It won't involve much time; after the initial draft that would pretty much be it. I guess people could do trades if they wanted.

Dylan · 08-13-2012, 11:06 AM

In

**LKJ** · 08-13-2012, 11:10 AM

I'm iffy and may be in depending on the details.

It's an interesting idea and I had thought about it a number of times before, but I couldn't get past the whole "guy who owns Cena wins" problem in figuring out a format.

Dylan · 08-13-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LKJ

I'm iffy and may be in depending on the details.

It's an interesting idea and I had thought about it a number of times before, but I couldn't get past the whole "guy who owns Cena wins" problem in figuring out a format.

Well to be fair if we're counting dirty wins the same as clean wins (which we should) Cena doesn't win all that more than the other top faces. We could always do the draft ABBBABAB instead of ABBAABBAABB to make it more fair. FWIW I'm not even sure Cena is that far ahead of the second pick, and I think a strong case could be made for him going 1st.

DWetzel · 08-13-2012, 11:28 AM

This can work, you just need to round out the scoring system a bit. Obviously the guy with Cena/Punk/etc. will have the best one, but if you make things work decently it can be balanced. Some people run one of these at rotoguru.com; their scoring system is:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl...ast=1342471555

Edit to add: if you want to see what the wrestler scores as a result of this are, it'd look like:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl...ast=1342469787

teejayC · 08-13-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

This can work, you just need to round out the scoring system a bit. Obviously the guy with Cena/Punk/etc. will have the best one, but if you make things work decently it can be balanced. Some people run one of these at rotoguru.com; their scoring system is:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl...ast=1342471555

Edit to add: if you want to see what the wrestler scores as a result of this are, it'd look like:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl...ast=1342469787

Thanks for this. I think we should use this as a template but make some modifications, for example I think the WWE title should be worth more than WHC. Also all PPVs are grouped together as are TV shows; I think we should rank these according to importance.

Also fwiw, using the scoring system above, Cena and Punk aren't even in the top two.

DWetzel · 08-13-2012, 11:49 AM

You could tweak it a bit, but if you do things like elevating WWE title much over the WHC title, then yeah, you pretty much do run into the problem of WWE champ = ldo #1 pick. One of the good things about their system is that it avoids exactly that problem for the most part.

And regarding the PPV differences ... keep in mind that someone has to hand-score this thing, and the more standard the better.

teejayC · 08-13-2012, 11:54 AM

Using their system, the WHC has way more points than second place - who hasn't even held a title this year unless I'm forgetting something, and Punk isn't that far ahead of the people underneath him. I would probably downgrade the WHC rather than upgrade the WWE title. Plus you don't know how long the current WWE champ will hold the title; he could lose it the week after the draft.

I don't mind doing the scoring and don't mind it being complicated. I don't think a win at Bragging Rights or Capitol Punishment should be worth the same as a win at Wrestlemania, or that an NXT win should be equal to a RAW win.

Also, the system I am working on (will I will propose later on or maybe tomorrow) will probably actually be less complicated than their system. I don't plan on giving extra points for gimmick matches or giving points for promos/backstage segments (which would require more than just looking up results).

DWetzel · 08-13-2012, 01:03 PM

I think Sheamus WON the title, which they award a bunch of points for (more than defending it). And wasn't Cena out for a few weeks? (Timeline on this was like right after WM to now).

I mean, I'd probably be in regardless, because y'all need someone to beat, I'm just making observations here.

Dylan · 08-13-2012, 01:06 PM

Let's try to get everything organized soon so we can do the draft and have our teams before SummerSlam.

**LKJ** · 08-13-2012, 01:08 PM

Alright you can count me in if teejay is running it.