Yea. I think the thing a lot of people don't realize either is that there are some guys who have all the talent and freak ability, but just aren't cut out for fighting. Jones took a few good shots from Machida last fight and didn't get discouraged, and that is huge. A lot of really promising athletes have not done so well in MMA, its just not for everyone I suppose.

pick wisely

This is going to be exactly like when white people stopped watching the NBA and NFL and every sport except for hockey.

haha.

this thread is silly. but I spose it warrants merit in the same forum with a thread asking who your favorite rasslin star's hair is.

mma is dif than those sports. You root for a team and not a individual person. MMA is like the WWE where there are good guys and bad guys.

jones is an exceptional athlete now.
but we should keep in mind we are talking about a very young sport where athletes mastered other sports prior to their MMA career.
the next generation will have lots of great fighters who start with MMA way earlier in their career and I am sure there will be many who would best jones. I doubt they will all be black since it is not just one attribute (e.g. speed) that is important in order to gain an edge over the opponent. So it is not like this is something where black people have an advantage (as for instance sprinters, or as white people have an advantage at swimming etc).
I just hope that all that jesus-talk doesn't spread too much. If I wanted to hear about jesus, I would go to a church.

And you think white people can't view black fighters as good guys lol.

I mean, to state the obvious, you seem like the kind of guy who can only get off to violent interracial porn but is deeply disturbed about it afterwards.

You can freely believe, as many people do, that black people are more likely to possess athletic talent than white people. But Jones is an exceptional talent, a freak by any standard. He's not like, the dawn of some new era where black dudes rule the sport any more than Brock Lesnar is some indication that MMA is about to be dominated by gigantic backwoods survivalists.

Just like how white people stopped watching the NBA when black players started dominating.

The reason Jones' management doesn't spout off about his sprint and vertical and gym numbers is because they ain't special. It doesn't make Jones less amazing. But it doesn't make him the greatest athlete in mma ever, even if he becomes the most successful athlete

he is def the best. who is better. do you think it's only his size.

It really comes down to the definition of athletic,which is a argument in itself, and I agree and disagree with parts of what you are saying. Measured numbers, Brock clown shoes Jones in almost everything, but Jones just moves in ways Brock cant. GSP didn't even wrestle in highschool, college or focus on in it in MMA until a few years ago, and now has possible Olympic aspirations. Some people are just freaks in different ways then baseline athletics, but MMA is just so different then other sports.

Boxing's heyday was dominated by black boxers. Whole thread is ludicrous.

Super late to the party, but GSP might not be quite the athlete Jones is, but it sure as hell is close.

GSP, no wrestling background at all (afaik. talking HS/college) but gets an invite to the Canadian national team?

Get real, bro.

of the many fighters other than jon jones who can jump further and higher and accelerate faster and run faster and change direction faster and pull weights higher and those who have superior cardiovascular and endurance metrics as well as fighters who have competed and placed in competitions like the Olympics, all have legitimate claims to being better athletes than Jon Jones. So far in this thread the only real argument I've seen that Jones had superior athletic abilities to everyone else in mma is "Jones moves good and makes me tingle". "Best athlete in mma" and "mma fighter who most effectively utilizes athletic abilities in fights" are different things. Jon Jones would do significantly worse than many other mma fighters in any standardized test of baseline athleticism.

You dumbass.

he would crush those fools in basketball, football, really any other sport that utilizes strength, speed, etc.

also picking up heavy things is a trick. I bet bader can deadlift more than Bones but he threw him around like a bitch.

Then after throwing him down whispered, " if you dont tap out I am going to beat you to death with these pointy elbows."

/thread.

Rootabager are you a black man? you got one point though.. bones jones will dominate for 10 years...

IMO i am hoping gsp moves up to challenge silva..... I would like bones to move up to heavyweight after crushing all light HW... BUT ONLY BEFORE

he goes from 205 to 175 to beat sliva and gsp

Lol Jones would only just make 175 if he cut one of his legs off.

he could prob cut both his legs off and still have to cut weight to make 205

damn.. whoever the past 2 posters are really dumb and silly

it was just announced that dana wants SILVA TO fight gsp or bones

Maybe you should re-read what you wrote before handing out insults. You suggested that Jones, not Silva, should drop to 175.

Gotta love stupid racists.

If Jones was white all anyone would talk about is what a MMA savant/genius he is technique wise. Instead, racist just talk about how athletic he is, because it is impossible for even a closet racist to admit a black guy is a genius at something.

We will just ignore boxing PPV numbers and the Klitschko bros too.

LOOOOOL Stop posting rootabager

I think the majority of posters have been saying that Jones DOESN'T have the "athleticism" aka measureables but does have the skill. I could be wrong here, I didn't do a head count.

Nevertheless, this is right. Jones hasn't been measured formally in a lot of things, but I doubt he has the best measureables in the UFC (and he might not even be near the top). Remember that GSP ran a pretty slow (for a OMGELITE athlete) 40 yard dash when timed. Jones is creative with his striking and throws and has a vicious killer instinct on the ground. He's already one of the most brutal GNP fighters ever imo. I don't think it's likely that he's very academic smart, but he's certainly extremely fight-smart. Coordination, creativity and skill have more to do with Jones's success than pure raw athletic ability. Phil Davis is probably a better raw athlete, but doesn't have the other stuff that Jones has. Hell, Bader might be a better raw athlete.