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Old 08-02-2012, 11:42 AM   #91
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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I was always going to have to pay whoever owned Full Tilt. (Not what Tapie Group was trying to do which was own assets but not the debts.) Clearly, PokerStars will own Full Tilt in a few days or a little longer, and finally I will know who to pay. I'm curious if they will try to collect from anyone else.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:39 PM   #92
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

Is barry just paying to be nice? Or does he have to pay oficcialy?

Do the other guys who borrowed monet from ftp like david benjamin have to pay back the new owner of ftp?
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:20 AM   #93
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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Is barry just paying to be nice? Or does he have to pay oficcialy?

Do the other guys who borrowed monet from ftp like david benjamin have to pay back the new owner of ftp?
All debts owed to FTP, including the loans to pros, are passing to PokerStars as part of the settlement agreement with the DOJ. It's official.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:44 AM   #94
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

What is classy about paying back your debts? Shouldn't it be the default?
The one thing working in Barrys favour is that he communicated very open and directly and for this i am very thankful, but other than that I don't get why someone gets such big graditude for paying back money that he - as a matter of facts - owes to a company.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:18 PM   #95
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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What is classy about paying back your debts? Shouldn't it be the default?
The one thing working in Barrys favour is that he communicated very open and directly and for this i am very thankful, but other than that I don't get why someone gets such big graditude for paying back money that he - as a matter of facts - owes to a company.
I'll tell you EXACTLY why.

#1 People with money generally use their money and power to their advantage.
#2 People with money are NOTORIOUS for using loopholes, convoluted aggreements, and legal action such that they DONT have to pay their debts.

So Barry Greenstein gets an attaboy for not following the typical rich guy mold.

Lastly, Barry has a well documented history of being a great stand up guy. Charity work, paying back debts, loaning friends money, etc. etc.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:01 PM   #96
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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I was always going to have to pay whoever owned Full Tilt. (Not what Tapie Group was trying to do which was own assets but not the debts.) Clearly, PokerStars will own Full Tilt in a few days or a little longer, and finally I will know who to pay. I'm curious if they will try to collect from anyone else.
Barry you should not pay Pokerstars.

From the pokerstars statement thread:

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Q: I got a check from FTP but it bounced. The money was still debited from my account. Do I get that money back?

A: Almost all of the cases involving bounced checks are for “defined” U.S. players (those with an account address in the U.S. and U.S. Territories as of June 29, 2011). We have absolutely no involvement with refunding those players – you will have to deal with the U.S. DoJ.
if pokerstars can claim your debt by puchasing FTP then why cant they claim a FTP debt to a player. Trust me when i say that their is MILLIONS not getting paid.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:47 AM   #97
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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What is classy about paying back your debts? Shouldn't it be the default?
The one thing working in Barrys favour is that he communicated very open and directly and for this i am very thankful, but other than that I don't get why someone gets such big graditude for paying back money that he - as a matter of facts - owes to a company.
Excellent point made Ego a debt is a debt standard practice is to pay who you owe no matter what circumstances are there period. If a friend of mine borrowed 10.00 from me and I get divorced does my friend then tell me he is going to wait until the divorce is finalized to see who he ends up paying. Just a thought I may be wrong. This does not apply directly to Barry my formulation may be my misunderstanding of whats going on so I apologize in advance if I misunderstood everyone.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:51 AM   #98
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

The people posting this garbage have clearly not been following Barry's past actions. If they had, they would have no doubt that his intentions were honourable.

It was a complicated situation. I happen to agree that he took the right action by hanging onto the money until he was satisfied with the regime, but I am confident that self-interest was not part of his thought process.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:42 AM   #99
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

I would def give barry the benefit of the doubt he has always been a good image for poker and always seems to do the right thing imo. I don't think that he would ever allow himself to be close to broke as u portray, you think that he would donate to charities like he does if he was close to broke. Hes and older player and compared to the modern players I am sure he would never allow himself to get in a situation. He also has been sponsored by stars for how long im sure they pay him a pretty penny. All these ignorant post do no good just wait and let the dust settle, hes implying that hes going to pay his debt and from his history i would give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:14 AM   #100
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

I don't understand all the Barry hate - the whole thing started with his explanation of why he had not/wasn't paying. Then he came back to tell everyone he's paying. I don't think he's attention whoring or trying to be some amazing person - just making sure the public knows he had every intention of paying his debt once he knew the money was going to the right place, and now that he does know, he's paying...

If he never made a post in the first place people would be flaming him for not going public about it and call him shady. As usual, most of 2+2 is unable to please. He posts making it public, gets flamed. If he stayed quiet, he gets flamed.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:52 PM   #101
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

Debt of professional poker players for repayment of loans previously granted to them as listed in the Excel Workbook entitled "Pro Loans revised - 19th Jul with Ray comments" provided by the Full tilt Group or their representatives to the PokerStars Group's representatives.


Sure would make an interesting read.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:32 AM   #102
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

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He is willing to pay as long the money goes back to paying players. Why would he pay a new company that didnt loan him the money? There is the possibility if he pays the new ownership will pocket the money and run with it. Besides, BG is the only player to publicly adress this issue.
on 2-2-12 they didnt own tilt and they wanted him to pay them
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:24 AM   #103
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

Really nice of Barry to pay I mean such a good guy donates the most to charity too. Wonder if Ivey will pay once e gets his $7m euro
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:37 AM   #104
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

As stated before he is not looking for attention just explaining his actions. The guy donates most if not all of his tournament winnings to different charities he is a great example that the poker world needs right now.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:06 AM   #105
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Re: Response regarding money I (Barry Greenstein) owe to Full Tilt

bump

Barryg > 99% of pro's who would find themself in a similar/same spot
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