My question is have you played there? There is a site where HUDs do not work between sessions. Players are anonymous. This is what you want. Do you play there?

I don't understand why having anonymous players is a good thing. If I play with the same 5 dudes at the local casino, I use previous information to play against them. Why should online be any different?

because online poker (and the internet as a whole) has one fundamental problem (freedom if you will): lack of social control. the information you have on your opponent makes it around the world in no time. there is no way to keep it private unless you don't generate the information in the first place. so your understanding retransfered to live poker would mean to make all stats of all live players available to anyone around the world at any time to have the same level of information in live poker than you have in online poker.

How does the info in my personal PT3 database "make it around the world in no time"? I could understand being against PTR's selling of hand histories, but this info is MY info, no one elses.

OK, but I should be able to use my own notes and observations.

I think the anti-HUD guys are seriously over-estimating the value of stats.

Eh. I am against them for multiple reasons, but mainly because they give an edge if you are multi-tabling thus allowing you to make a higher win rate. Lets say we are playing 6 tables of 6-max, I would have to not only manually track, but also remember 30 players stats (nearly impossible). The HUD gives an edge because you can just glance at the players stats and know how they play without any real observation.

Or you could just take a colored note and know almost exactly the same thing. It seriously doesn't even matter. I would be all for just banning them since so many fish are crying, but those types of fish will always find an excuse for their inability to win. HUDs banned, notes banned, hand histories banned, etc. And after online poker is ruined, they will be gone just as fast as before when they dream up some new way they are being cheated. I'm not willing to make concessions to babies.

With the games getting tougher all the time I'd be surprised if there isn't more people calling for a ban on HUDs over the next few years.

I'd be happy to see them banned if it meant better games going forward.

I used a HUD when I played online in Italy as I was sure most of my opponents did; however, if their evolution is to turn online poker into a test of who has the best computer skills and whose is the most computer savvy, then the player base will be very small. Before I left the US everyone, except me, in the two home games I played in had quit playing online because they believed it wasn't fair.

I don't know enough about computers to know if HUD's can be banned, or effectively negated through anonymous play, but if online poker is seen as inherently unfair to the average player it won't be a substantial factor in the poker world and will shrink to a very small base.

So why not use one?

this is kind of what this thread is all about. tell every recreational player to never get anywhere near an online poker table unless he/she is capable of running a HUD. oh wait, brb ..got dealt kongs on my mobile.

IMO
Max 15 tables
no huds allowed.

no being observant
this is affirmative action to level the palying field.

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