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Originally Posted by The1Messiah
He didn't ask for an edge, he asked them for good luck. So Phil Ivey lied in order to carry out his mischievous plan of robbing the casino under false pretenses. You advocate that sort of behaviour, you really are a poor, degenerate soul
I find being called a degenerate quite funny. Ususally when people on these forums are mad at me, its because I say that I declare all of my cash income on my income taxes because that is what the law requires.
I've thought about this some more, and as far as whether the casino workers can or should make certain decisions, that's an easy one. Of course they should.
Yes, a casino is often part of a big corporation. Yes, the stockholders should be treated fairly. So what are you going to do every time a decision has to be made on the floor, call a stockholders meeting?
I don't play any -EV games, and the only reason I would ever go to a casino is for a poker tournament, so I can't really put myself in Ivey's place. But in a casino or poker room, workers on the floor make decisions that affect the game all the time. If someone calls the floor, hethe floor probably didn't see what happened. Players and/or dealers may have different accounts of what happened. With incomplete information, the floor has to make a quick decision that affects the game. The owner of my local poker business usually isn't there. Only the floor can make final decisions.
In Ivey's case, he pushed his edge to the limit, with the approval of a casino worker impowered to make decisions.
If what Ivey did was stealing, it follows that the casino worker was part of a criminal conspiracy that allowed Ivey to steal money. Are you prepared to go there?
Some poker players will push any edge as far they can until someone tells them they have crossed the line. Tony G. tries to tilt a player by yelling, "I'll take all your money and your children will stave!" Women show a lot of boob to distract players. Players stall, talk a lot, and stare other players down. I've heard racial insults, straight players accused of being gay, your mom/girlfriend/sister was good last night, etc. Showing bluffs and slowrolling can be used to tilt players, as can calling the clock.
I don't do any of the things in the above paragraph, but I know that it's part of the game, and as long as the floor lets it happen, I'm actually fine with it, because other players at the table will tilt when I won't, which gives
me an edge. Ultimately, whether it's poker or a -EV table game, it all comes down to what the employees on the floor will allow.*
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*Blackjack is an exception. The casino doesn't care if you count cards, which they treat as cheating, even though it violates no rule or law. All they care about is how much you win. If you're losing, or winning a small amount, no one is going to care whether you are counting cards. You're not breaking any law or rule. They just stop you before you win a lot of money because they can, which IMO makes blackjack the dumbest game ever.
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