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Old 06-17-2012, 03:10 PM   #16
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Re: Things horrible players do

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- Worry excessively about what other entertainment the other players find at the casino
The more we understand why our donors come to the casino, the better able we are to keep them satisfied and coming back for more.
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #17
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Re: Things horrible players do

Act out of turn often

Serious underbets (10% of pot etc)

Calling when trying to raise (throwing a higher denomination chip in without declaring 'raise' or an amount) often

Checking their cards a few times in a hand to remember what they have

Misremembering what they have

Limping/calling all the time.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:13 PM   #18
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Using nicknames for hands all the time, also pretty tilting..
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:24 PM   #19
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Yeah that pisses me off too, well done, you read a wiki article on hand nicknames and memorised a few, do you think that makes you look like a poker expert?
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:04 PM   #20
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Re: Things horrible players do

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The more we understand why our donors come to the casino, the better able we are to keep them satisfied and coming back for more.
True but I wouldn't call that 'worrying' as the OP does. That's just studying your opponents.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:40 PM   #21
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Having played live for several years, I feel like I've observed at least a couple traits that are almost dead-on predictors that someone is (in one way or another) just outright ****ing horrible at poker. Comments/additions welcome:

1. In NLHE, physically lifting their hole cards off of the table to cup them in their hands and look at them that way.

Every single person I have seen do this over the last 9 years (including myself when I was starting out) played like absolute dog****, to a man, no exception. What gives? Are they trying to mimic the oldtimey Western movies with the dudes playing five card draw in a saloon?

2. Doing half-assed versions of chip tricks that don't require any manual dexterity; i.e. instead of shuffling chips, lifting off half of a stack, placing it to the side, then taking the bottom half and putting it on top of this one, rinse and repeat.

This one isn't as reliable since some people just have minimal live experience, but when observed in civil war veteran fossil-type old dudes or younger bro types I feel like it speaks to a desire to look cool without actually spending a lot of time working at it.

3. Buy in and rebuy with oversized chips from pit games, especially at lower limits. This one also isn't 100% but I feel can be powerful corroborating evidence for an assumption that someone sucks at the pokers.

For example, if it's a college age kid in a hoodie, or a professional looking middle aged dude, he may just like carrying chips instead of cash. If it's a European guy with his shirt open down to his navel drinking imported beer, however, chances are you've got a live one.
dude, a lot of pros in Vegas keep a portion of their bankroll in Bellagio chips, and a lot of pros in NJ keep a portion of their bankroll in Borgata chips. I'm sure they do it elsewhere, too. You can usually tell the pros from the pit fish pretty quickly, but this alone is a really bad indicator.
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:11 AM   #22
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Re: Things horrible players do

My favorite thing I witness horrible players do is chase a super obvious FD OOP and then when the flush hits on river they go for the c/r lol. When it checks through they turn over the nuts and say "damn, I thought you were gonna bet"

Ahhhhhhh..... That never gets old.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:50 AM   #23
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Have you ever considered people do exactly what you think makes them a horrible player in order to get paid off or get you to fold?

I can riffle chips with both hands, but i'm not going to sit down and give away that I have a lot of experience. When I can sit down look like a douche and pretend like I don't know what to do with my chips. Hence #2 chip tricks. Ship it! ... but you thought it was good information.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:33 AM   #24
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i love when they make 10 stacks of like 5 chips each and put them in a row. it's so ****ing annoying
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:06 PM   #25
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Re: Things horrible players do

everyone who always and i mean always...... puts you on"AK" its laughable
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:14 PM   #26
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I was playing 1/3nl yesterday waiting for 2/5nl when this hand happened.

I raise $20 otb w AQ, super donk from MP calls, everyone folds, eff stacks 300

Board Q 7 5 2 2 r

I bet 2/3 pot every street and shove AI river, V says "I put you on AK" and calls me.

He turns over A7s.
So he puts me on AK and calls me pre w A7... Priceless
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:47 PM   #27
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Have you ever considered people do exactly what you think makes them a horrible player in order to get paid off or get you to fold?

I can riffle chips with both hands, but i'm not going to sit down and give away that I have a lot of experience. When I can sit down look like a douche and pretend like I don't know what to do with my chips. Hence #2 chip tricks. Ship it! ... but you thought it was good information.
I like where your head is at on this. I have purposely never even tried to figure out how to shuffle chips and I have played a good amount of volume of live play over the years. I never saw what purpose learning would serve.

Along these lines, when playing in live tournaments, I love to come to the table and ask which seat is numer X or whatever, looking at my receipt, so it seems like I'm a n00b who doesn't know anything about tournament seating. I don't get much into fake tells beyond that but I love that one.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:51 PM   #28
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Re: Things horrible players do

Reacting to the board when they're not in a hand. Like a groan or an eye roll or a tongue click (or slamming down a fistful of chips and saying "DAMMIT!!") when the flop is dealt or on later streets if they went to the flop but folded and their draw comes in. Or sometimes even announcing what they folded to a neighbor or observer while there are still multiple streets to go. And having no clue whatsoever how that could possibly affect the action.

It's closely related to the trait of repeatedly declaring their random folded preflop holdings at the end of a hand if they would have connected in any way, but especially if it would have made the winning hand. Someone takes a pot with top pair and they say "Oh man, I folded J6, I would've made 2 pair on the river.".

Having to be reminded to put out their blinds every orbit. Usually goes along with acting out of turn.

Watching the TV's and ignoring the action at the table. "Oh, is it on me? Someone raised?". I've seen people who watch the TV's even when they're in a hand and have to ask or be prompted by the dealer about the action on each street. Personally, as someone with a touch of the ADD, those damn tableside TV's are a thorn in my side. If I'm in a seat with a TV straight ahead above a player or the dealer's head, even though I don't 'watch' it, just the motion of the images can catch my eye and affect my concentration a bit. But when someone watches constantly, it's usually a pretty good indicator that they're level 1 thinkers when in a hand.

In tournaments, repeatedly limp/folding and trying to see cheap flops when their M is squarely in the red zone, especially in late stages. When I see people do this near the bubble it almost breaks my heart. Not enough to keep me from pouncing on them.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:39 PM   #29
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i love when they make 10 stacks of like 5 chips each and put them in a row. it's so ****ing annoying
i sometimes make 5 stacks of 10 chips
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:48 PM   #30
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Pretending to be maniacs, i, e.: sneakily looking at their cards when nobody notices and the pretending that they haven't seen what they have while raising or shoving and then getting some dumbass to call, then they turn up AA and say, "oh wow! I swear I shoved blind...what luck I have!"
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