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03-05-2014 , 06:55 PM

bigflop99

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In a casino is there a general rule that if you say to another player h/u "if you go all in I will call you," If they shove are you still required to call the all in?

03-05-2014 , 07:10 PM

denks

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No. But don't do it. Also if you just say "all in" and then they check you may very well be held to your all in.

03-05-2014 , 07:25 PM

wilson1560

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No, but where you can take advantage is when you reach across the betting line with a stack of chips to make a bet and your opponent says "I call whatever it is." In those circumstances when I have a made hand I just release the whole stack instead of cutting out the 30 or 40 dollar bet I was intending to make. In my experience this type of verbal call is always binding. So for players who are prone to jump the gun, bet with a big stack regardless of what size bet you intend to make.

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Originally Posted by bigflop99

In a casino is there a general rule that if you say to another player h/u "if you go all in I will call you," If they shove are you still required to call the all in?

03-05-2014 , 07:34 PM

andees10

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Exhibit A :

(go to 8:30)

03-05-2014 , 07:39 PM

denks

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Originally Posted by wilson1560

You can't call out of turn. Example of floor suckage if they hold someone to a call if a bet (and therefore a bet amount) has not even been made yet.

03-05-2014 , 08:39 PM

denks

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That's part of the reason why you shouldn't do it. Anything that might open up a grey area should generally be avoided as you have no idea which way the floor will rule. "I call" before he bets can't be enforced as you have no idea what the bet is. "I call if you go all in" opens up a can of worms as you are declaring that you do in fact know what the bet amount is. Also as there were more to act (limpers before you on BTN, he was in blinds, meaning limpers still in hand) you had absolutely no right to be saying anything at all about the hand or your intended actions.

03-05-2014 , 09:01 PM

venice10

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Wrong forum. This has been discussed many times before, but no harm in discussing it again.

03-05-2014 , 09:15 PM

Man of Means

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I wouldn't do it for reasons stated above - you never know if the floorperson working has had it with angleshooters and will rule against you.
But picture yourself on the other side of this. Guy says he call if I go all-in. I go all-in. He not held to his call. This game isn't fair, I will take my money to the blackjack table.
Either way you lose.

03-05-2014 , 09:49 PM

bigflop99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilson1560

+1, thanks guys for the info! BTW just reading these forums made me gain over $500 in two sessions without many good hands. I dis get called on some bluffs but the Cbet dry flops and raising wet boards with bottom pair etc made the difference. Really used being in position too!!

03-05-2014 , 10:19 PM

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OneCrazyDuck

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Also note, the TDA Rules stated that a conditional statement may be ruled binding. Not a common ruling, but it could come up depending on the room/floor.

03-06-2014 , 02:29 AM

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donkatruck

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilson1560

Where I play, once your hand crosses the betting line, all the chips in your hand are in play regardless.

03-09-2014 , 09:41 PM

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jrr63

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wilson1560

some places have a rule where if you come over the betting line with a handfull of chips that is your bet - you can't pull some back. And if you have more than a call in your hand you have to make up the difference between chips in hand and a minimum raise (if there were not already enough in hand). Just implemented in our local room.

Last edited by jrr63; 03-09-2014 at 09:45 PM. Reason: typo

03-09-2014 , 11:54 PM

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driverseati

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Quote:

Originally Posted by triplesuit

The casino where I play, verbal is binding, even out of turn and even if it's a conditional statement. So, "if you go all in, I'm calling", is a call if the opponent goes all in. I've seen it applied on numerous occasions.

To be clear, "if you go all in, I'm probably going to have to call" is not binding, as there wasn't a definitive statement.

I've only witnessed the rule being applied in a cash game, not sure if a conditional statement is binding in tournament play or not.

The conditional statement rule is covered in the TDA, and you are at the floorman's mercy on conditional statements if the room uses TDA.

03-11-2014 , 01:12 AM

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Mayo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andees10

Exhibit A :

(go to 8:30)

Well this is just the most ridiculous hand of poker I've ever seen.

04-02-2014 , 11:05 AM

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Czech Rays

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Don´t leave yourself at the mercy of floor-rulings over which you have no control.

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