I disagree with just about every sentence in this post.

SL200 went at about 1 pm today and frequently gets at least a board check while I'm there at lunch time.

SL100 is about as common as 6/12 LHE (almost always 1 table, usually 2 tables, sometimes 3 tables). SL100 is not full of short stacking nits.

^^ remember what forum we're in. 2p2ers believe anyone with less than 100bb is a short stacker.

There's the "nit" part to take exception with, too.

super disagree.

I am quite the opposite of unfamiliar with lowball. I'm a NLSD specialist and was probably one of the winningest players at my stake (which admittedly was not super high((but not micros either)) on tilt.

limit A-5 is not a terribly complicated game. although I will openly admit I have never played it before, I will also openly admit I am willing to donate a few bets to a dying game to get the chance to play it.

You have never played lowball and you disagree.

You think "limit A-5 is not a terribly complicated game". You would be destroyed in a no 'kill' game. Killing increases the luck factors.

Also must add, speaking of limit lowball.

I had played a decent amount of various lowball games online (triple draw, badugi, even limit single draw A-5 back in the Planet Poker days) before I played live lowball for my first time. I ended up having a physical tell due to my lack of experience handling/discarding in a five card game and one guy was able to exploit that tell.

I agree that limit A-5 is certainly not the most complicated poker variant from a math standpoint, but there's other stuff that comes into play in a B&M setting.

EP limper, EMP raises to $10, LMP calls, BTN calls, EP calls. Flop AT7, EP shoves for $50-60. EMP tanks and calls. LMP tanks and calls. Turn brings 6, and EMP shoves maybe $50 more. LMP tanks and calls. River is 2 or 3.

Flush over flush over set? Flush over straight over set? Flush over set over set?

EMP rolls AQo for top pair, second kicker.
LMP says, "That's good, I missed," and then rolls KJ presumably for some sympathy.
EP quietly mucks.

Absolutely.

I've had the fortune in home games to play some of the regulars who were around when lowball was bigger at Oaks. They are crazy good at reading everything. They don't have to think, they've internalized multiple levels of analysis, and they are experts with physical tells.

architect_dad, you will get eaten alive. But I encourage you to try!

[whoa A-5 hasn't been spread in the WSOP for years was this in the early 90's? also I don't think true california lowball was ever an event, it would make a terrible tournament game. much in the same way there is minor distinction between KCL and nl2-7, there is between CL and A-5[/QUOTE]

Mid 90's I think, but not sure of the year.

these are all good points that I've failed to consider. with the exception of TD and badugi in mixes i've never even played a live draw game and I forgot how much card handling goes on in them. still expect me to sit the game sometime in feb or march when I am in the area

I'm sentimental enough to drop 20 bets to buy the title of "youngest live CL fish in history"

Well, here's a tip: discard in turn. I've dealt draw to people new to playing in cardrooms. They give out so much information by discarding early. Remember, position counts for the draw, too.

did you read my post where I mentioned I was probably the biggest winner at my stake in NLSD on tilt? I'm not a total fish but thanks for the advice!

I said nothing of your skill. I'm sure you're very good, and I have no doubt you'd cream me in a game.

I'm talking about the way you hold yourself at the table. I'm pretty sure you don't have to wait your turn to draw on Tilt. I've seen plenty of otherwise smart people playing fairly high stakes draw games who telegraph like crazy about what they're discarding. They don't even notice they're doing it.

I've been dealing poker a while now, and I've dealt to thousands upon thousands of 25-year old online wunderkinds. They're great at the math of the game, no doubt. But they are by far the worst with table mechanics.

The old regulars, they know how to handle themselves. The casual newbies of any age, they're open to being taught. But all these online players have a mix of confidence and insecurity that's tough to crack. They feel they know everything, so they don't pay attention to others, and most advice is met with defensiveness.

So anyway, just trying to help. I'm sure you're awesome. Good luck.

Obviously what we need is a 2+2 get-together at the Oaks where we convince them to spread low limit lowball for our n00basses.

would you guys be interested in seeing if they would let us spread a self-dealt draw mix for when I come to town? I think it would be a lot of fun to play the old gardena games (jacks to open, lowball, etc). I'd like that a lot more than dropping two NL buyins in a game I realistically have no chance in.

also sorry pfapfap I realize I came off way too over confident in my posts, I'm just defensive cause' everyone assumes young players don't know any games other than NLHE and PLO and im very proud of the work I put it in to learn NLSD.