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Money Behind -- Dealer Mistake. No what? Money Behind -- Dealer Mistake. No what?

03-18-2014 , 05:40 PM
Sorry. Meant to type "Now what?"

It is a limit game (4-8) at Commerce Casino in Los Angeles.

I watched this play happen and am curious about what could've/should've happened.

First player (seat 1) has no chips in front of him, but in the previous hand, he gave money to a chip runner. The dealer stated, "Seat 1, one hundred behind."

Seat one raises, seat 3 raises to three bets, and seat 5 calls. So does seat 1. (There were other players in the hand, but these are the only ones that matter.)

Flop is irrelevant, but seat 1 donks (no chips, just says bet) and then seat 2 raises. Seat 5 tanks a bit, then folds. Then, seat one says, "I call. All in."

Seat 5 is confused and asks how seat 1 can be all in. Seat 1 says he only bought for 20. Dealer is confused. Chip runner comes over and delivers 20 chips and 80 in cash. Runner states that player 1 asked for only 20. (No one heard the runner say anything but everyone heard the dealer say 100 behind.)

Seat 5 calls floor and explains that he made the decision to fold based on the fact that he was told seat 1 has 100 behind. He says he would've called if he had known that seat 1 only was in for 20.

Seat 5 also states that he knows his hand (suits included). Obviously, his hand has been mucked and the floor says he can't retrieve it.

Dealer confirms to floor that she said 100 behind.

Did the floor make the right decision?

Last edited by piotrkron; 03-18-2014 at 05:40 PM. Reason: typo
03-18-2014 , 07:26 PM
I don't have any comment on the ruling, but you can really buy in for only 2.5 bets??
03-18-2014 , 09:21 PM
Many places will allow a short buy, either one for the night or one between full buys (in this game, typically $40).

Anyway, hand is gone, sorry. This one is a lot easier than I thought it would be from the title.

Generally it's a good idea to get clarification from the player on how much he has behind. Fixed limit is full of nitty anglers, who are happy to let a dealer mistake slide. Verify, verify, verify.
03-19-2014 , 02:16 AM
I agree with the ruling. I don't really play/understand limit strategy, but it sounds like the guy who folded is just BSing and trying to find a way to get his money or cards back for free. I don't see how the difference in seat one's stack can make that much of a difference to whether he folds to seat 3's raise. Couldn't seat 1 only raise again 4, and then maybe seat 3 cap it, so at most seat 5 is facing 8 more bucks to see the turn card?

But anyway, he folded. Too bad.
03-19-2014 , 11:45 AM
When the dealer stated: "$100 behind!", seat 1 should've spoken up because he knows that that statement/declaration is false.

But, that being said, seat 5 still folded when facing a bet/raise. What he was going to do is hardly a case for what he actually did. Sorry, sir, but you folded when you were facing a bet. Even if his cards were sitting right on top of the muck pile and easily identifiable and retrievable, his hand was folded and there should be no exceptions for this.

Ah, if only we can rewind all of our "woulda shoulda coulda's"...but life doesn't work that way.

      
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