Your post has been reported (for "Ray Sucks"). It does not go to my attention. Lucky you get to take care of those for the time being.

I'll make some minor formatting changes to the sticky, but I think it's content-correct.

The only important items to note are that "concise" doesn't mean no-content, and that people need to play nice. +1 is acceptable in moderation, and unless someone's specifically asking for your opinion of their scummy move, please refrain from questioning their parentage. ...even then, be civil.

The perception of a problem exists, which may be enough of a problem that it should be fixed... perhaps.

Or not. I guess we'll find out.

I don't have a lot of time for this now, but I will say that allowing various types of moderation styles means that you'll have various conflicts and complaints. I don't see that as an over-arching problem... but that's not up to me.

dammit, I don't have time for this.... this is why I've been staying away!

FML


"Geoff Cohen has a great observation about this. He said "The likelihood that any unmoderated group will eventually get into a flame-war about whether or not to have a moderator approaches one as time increases." As a group commits to its existence as a group, and begins to think that the group is good or important, the chance that they will begin to call for additional structure, in order to defend themselves from themselves, gets very, very high. "


"2.) The second thing you have to accept: Members are different than users. A pattern will arise in which there is some group of users that cares more than average about the integrity and success of the group as a whole. And that becomes your core group, Art Kleiner's phrase for "the group within the group that matters most"

"3.) The third thing you need to accept: The core group has rights that trump individual rights in some situations. This pulls against the libertarian view that's quite common on the network, and it absolutely pulls against the one person/one vote notion. But you can see examples of how bad an idea voting is when citizenship is the same as ability to log in"

There's absolutely no subtext or hidden commentary here (and I assume you had no subtext or hidden commentary when you posted the link), but I just had to giggle when I read this (from the linked article) in light of the anti-Rapini comments earlier in your post:

"So even if someone isn't really your enemy, identifying them as an enemy can cause a pleasant sense of group cohesion. And groups often gravitate towards members who are the most paranoid and make them leaders, because those are the people who are best at identifying external enemies."

is there a way to share the casino threads somehow? like link to that subforum?

We could copy them, but some people have already started their own versions here. I'm not sure which is better personally, but i lean towards "make new one's here, but copy any incredibly important faq type posts if needed"

OK, maybe I'm a dummy, but I have been using 2+2, and B&M for years, and I have no idea what "ATF" is, nor can I find a forum with those initials.

About the forums

I've been considering marking "low content enabled" threads as such.

The thought in B&M, previously, was that users wouldn't be able to mentally separate the two types of threads within one forum, and couldn't +1 and FYP themselves silly in [LOW CONTENT] tagged threads without accidentally crapping themselves all over "serious" threads.

If we did that, the community-type and less-serious containment-type threads would get a [LOW CONTENT] marker on them, and we'd update the FAQ/Rules.

Thoughts?

Sorry if this is just a rehash of what I posted in the B&M "+1 poll" thread, but fundamentally I don't see +1 as necessarily being low content or crap, although I agree it can be abused.

A lot of times, someone asks a more-or-less factual question and of the first 5 responses, one is correct, and four are not. There's really no point in retyping the factual answer over and over again, but it's also not helpful if the correct answer just appears to be one of many possible correct answers.

I think there's legitimate concerns about someone quoting 656 lines of text just to +1 it (or any other sort of one-liner like "haha" or "omg" or "zing"); if that's the case, just penalize people who abuse the quote function, not the people who use (but don't abuse) +1.

We agree on +1. It's not my favorite nomenclature, but sometimes it's all that's needed.

Perhaps I should have been clearer: I'm not suggesting that "+1" all by itself be allowed only in [LC] threads. The rules would remain the rules, but that the standard would be lower in such threads.

[Low Content] Foxwoods/Mohegan Chat would be allowed more latitude than, say, The Best Qualities of a High Limit Floorman.

There's no express prohibition around +1 here, and adding [LC] to a thread wouldn't suddenly allow the posting of lolcats in it.

The question is simply if it's too hard to be expected to behave differently in two separate threads in one forum.

I think it's over-thinking and over-moderating. Most stuff doesn't fall into neat little categories. I think regular B&M players understand that a tight discussion on high limit floormen requires more attention and seriousness than a casual sidebar deep in a casino location thread.

People live up to what others expect of them, and a friendly supportive "hey, I deleted some posts, let's keep this on track, 'kay?" is far easier and more open, I feel.

Just IMO, of course. This is discussion, not debate.

"Lets keep this on focus" has been my only method of moderation thusfar, beyond creating a few containment threads and fixing a word-filter thread title.

I simply want to be clear that it's "OK" to wander a bit in some sort of regional community thread (and no, I don't have the luxury of sub-forums), but a slightly more focused conversation needs to happen in floorman-like threads.

I think "keep it focused" is not necessarily a good strategy. While there is topic drift that is annoying, and there is topic drift that is derailing, there are also points that come up in a discussions that are worth amplifying and expanding; and sometimes the question in the OP is far less important than the question behind the question.

I don't have a problem with topic drift.

"Keep it on track" is simply a polite way of saying - "Hey, clean this crap up a little. We've got some standards."

Is the entire Playground B&M thread started because everyone hates RAPINI? Instead of starting a new thread, why isn't he just replaced like my location sugests?
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Accidentally discovered this forum about an hour ago. Couple of comments:

1) I like Palimax's notions as to moderating here.

2) Very pleased to see familiar faces from my other "regular" forums posting here. (Itt and the forum at large)

3) I'll make this forum one of my daily pitstops and, hopefully, make an occasional meritorious contribution.

leo doc trip report request conversation moved to the LC thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...hread-1124332/

I don't understand why +1 or "me too" type posts are not allowed.

Suppose there is a question about tipping and a player says he tips $1/hand when he wins a pot which saw a flop, and I agree with him. Am I suppose to intentionally ramble on and write a long response when all I want to do is say "me too"?

They are allowed.

Please don't make it the entirety of your posting experience.

From the Posting Guidelines sticky here:

No-content posting: No-content posting is not permitted. Please make sure that your posts contribute positively. Please keep +1 and other "Me too!" type posting to a minimum. Short, concise posts are permitted as long as they advance the discussion or close out thoughts.

No, that is what you are suppose to do in the Brick and Mortar Forum.

This is Mortar and Brick so someone will probably tell you to stop rambling on.

You're thinking of that other place.

what is this place? am confused.

Can we move this thread of mine to this forum? I want the new forum to do well and I'm assuming that dozens of people have subscribed to that thread. And i want new people to read it ldo as I'm proud of that thread.

You'll need to either PM RayPowers or wait until he sees this request.

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Unrelated, I was asked why this was closed:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...oting-1130741/

The style of the post leaves it wide, wide, open to become a flame-fest. I'm certainly open to a thread discussing the subject, but not started like that. I appreciate the content, however.