Of course they do. But what does that have to do with this issue. The expiration date on my driver's license simply denote sthe time that the state requires me to pay again. It has nothing to do with how old I am. If having that particular pictrure ID satisfies you as proof of my age because it conatins a picture of me and my date of birth ...... why would the fact that the state wants more money from me change that for you?

It is because expired IDs have habits of finding their way into the pockets of underage people.

Once the ID expires they usually get "Lost" and then "Found" by underage friends.

In California last year or maybe the year before (Ive gotten to the age every year blends into one) The DMV got behind in issuing DL's I think by 3 months

I had an expired license (It was expired by about a month) and I went to go get a six pack from the seven eleven. The guy asks for my ID which is fairly unusual in itself cus im clearly and I do mean clearly over 30. I show him it and of course he sais "its expired" and that I need a valid and current DL otherwise I cannot be served ! I was flabbergasted !!! I told the guy to just use his common sense I said "Its obviously me, im obviously of age and I was born in 1977" but he would not budge. This wound me up nad I was pissed !!

In the grander scheme of things Im getting real sick of being told to constantly show an ID to whomever demands, as I get older and more cynical Im starting to see that this is a real invasion of privacy and less and less to do with checking my age and more more to do with getting me to conform with every little nitt picky little law they feel making up. Well im glad I got that of my chest.

In answer to the op in reality I think you will be fine as most casinos will not ID you, but I might avoid places with a BBJ as this may be heart breaking lol.

What, didn't you have the paper printout from when you went in to renew?

So let's say I accept an expired ID when carding someone, but he has a valid ID in his pocket. If a higher authority comes in and determines he's of age, with the valid unexpired proof on his body, am I liable because that's not the ID I checked?

psand's point is that it's not against the law to allow someone who's 21 to gamble. The ID is a way for the casino to cover its ass, that's all. You get in trouble if you accept an expired ID and the person is underage. Not or.

If the inspector from the liquor control board or state gaming commission happens to have valid ID in the same wallet where they keep their badge, does that let their charges off the hook when the inspector shows an expired license as ID to the bouncer?

According to Harrah's, apparently, at least the employee is off the hook.

Is there a law that says it's illegal to accept expired ID from someone who is actually of age? I believe that's the question here. I don't really know, but it seemed psand and Neil were talking past each other.

Not a question of illegality. An expired ID doesn't constitute proof of anything, and people who accept expired IDs are taking their chances. Someone in a position to check ID who accepts expired ID is on a path to cost his employer money in fines and legal expenses.

Well it must be true since you guys keep repeating it.

Thats not entirely my point.

Assuming the the document is a actual legally issued document that belongs to the holder ..... the fact that it has expired does not change the underlying truth of the information on the document. If my drivers license is proof of may age today .... The fact that it expires tomorrow does not change any fact relevant to the proof of my age. The expiration only indicates that I no longer am authorized to driver. Did I get younger? Did my date of birth change? of course not. It would be silly to suggest that the expiration of the license changes those things.

And we know that people frequently procrastinate renewing licenses or forget to do it. So a recently expired license is not something which in and of itself should cause much suspicion as to whether it validly issued or belongs to the holder.

...and this is where we simply disagree.

My Arizona Driver's License expires in 2034, when I'm sure it'll be of great use in identifying me.

Identifications expire, not only because in some cases they need renewal (ID versus license) because every second in your possession they become less and less useful in identifying you.

And additionally there's the future proofing issue. It's ridiculous for AZ to do that.

There was a small window during which the previous style AZ license was available in the 30-year renewal. The old ones were your basic photo composite -- scratch them to the emulsion layer -- and were quite ripe for forgery.

The AZ license is dumb, in that it both (a) says it's good for 30 years, and (b) you have to go update it every four years.

They've changed it.

I know it used to be much different... They're dumb, I swear.

But wait, it gets better....