"Is This a Douchebag Move" Containment Thread

[pfapfap]

Originally Posted by MitchL

I just kind of get tired of the shilling in this forum and a lot of times your posts come off that way regardless of their intent.

I don't mean it to, so my apologies. I don't see it as "us" vs "them". I understand the mentality from both perspectives. When I talk to dealers, I try to help them understand the player perspective. When I talk to players, I try to help them understand the dealer's perspective.

In the box, I serve the needs of the players. It's their game; I'm merely there to manage the playing pieces for them.

It's all in service of a more enjoyable game for everybody.

Originally Posted by MitchL

a lot of fish dont see the value in a fast-pace game and they are not your target audience here nor are they ever gonna change. They are also probably the main reason a game isnt going fast enough.

Not as much as you'd think. It's the guys who have a little bit of knowledge that are the most problematic. They feel they know the game, but they're still somewhat insecure with their confidence (or just set in their ways), and are therefore defensive. The new players are usually eager to do whatever it takes to please me; I spend more time telling them it's okay, I'm just here to help. Thankfully, most of the truly experienced and aware players have already figured out the stuff I preach. My target is mainly those in that transition zone.

[High Time John]

Twice yesterday a known douche-bag intentionally over represented his hand, calling out a straight when he had nothing and without tabling his hand. I called the floor over and the floor said they have no rule against this. Is that normal to not have a rule?

[pfapfap]

Yes, this is common. Robert's is a guide, based on the procedures of sophisticated room managers at the time they were written.

Since the explosion, much nuance has disappeared. (From what I can tell... I'm post-boom, myself, I just try to learn by the old school.) It's much easier to simply say, "Best tabled hand, or only remaining hand." Less conflict makes for happier floor people.

FWIW, I've never seem someone lie about this at higher stakes games. Usually the player states his hand, the other person mucks, and the first person shows to verify.

[fun101]

I got a Is this a DBag move question.
Limped, straddle pot and i call in the BB with A7s. I flop 2pair and bet big and straddle calls, turn a boat and continue betting big, straddle calls, River is a blank and i bet $225 (roughly 85% pot) and straddle quickly calls pushing 2 $100 stacks of reds and a $25 stack of reds ontop of the $100 stacks. I immediatly table my hand, villain looks at it and quickly says u r good. I immediatly grab his chips b/c I dont want the dealer to knock down the stacks when he is pushing me the pot. He then mucks his hand. Noone comments about this move but after the fact I felt like a bit of a DBag for grabbing his chips before he mucked.

[IHeartEmoKids]

Just let the dealer push you the pot. Stacking chips is fun! It may seem silly, but I think that grabbing the chips provides a reminder to recreational players that you are basically taking money directly out of their pocket.

[The Meal]

It also keeps dealers from having an aneurysm. Some are more tense than others about pushing pots rather than having players grab chips from in front of the opposition, but I always try to error on the side of keeping dealers sane.

[mcgiva]

I always wondered this but never enough to ask a dealer. When I bet a stack out and my opponent folds I usually just grab the stack so the dealer doesn't knock it over when they push the pot to me. Every now and then the dealer will be confused as to who won because they didn't see me grab my chips back and don't see any bets on the table. I'm assuming this isn't a big deal because I still have my cards in front of me, but would it be proper etiquette to let the dealer push the chips to me including what I just bet?

[Ace Jackoff]

"nice catch"

[pfapfap]

Originally Posted by mcgiva

I always wondered this but never enough to ask a dealer. When I bet a stack out and my opponent folds I usually just grab the stack so the dealer doesn't knock it over when they push the pot to me. Every now and then the dealer will be confused as to who won because they didn't see me grab my chips back and don't see any bets on the table. I'm assuming this isn't a big deal because I still have my cards in front of me, but would it be proper etiquette to let the dealer push the chips to me including what I just bet?

Hmm, interesting.

I'd say that when you win before showdown, the dealer is scanning the table to verify there's only one person with cards, so in those cases I'd keep the bet out there until the dealer is pushing the pot your way.

At showdown, also wait until the dealer recognizes your hand as the best one. But yeah, pull your stack out of the way once the chips are moving towards you. I don't like knocking them down.

[realestate]

Originally Posted by pfapfap

Not in the slightest.

Goes to show how a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. These self-centered "must talk poker and analyze every play at the table" types are smart enough to understand the basic math, but not smart enough to realize how this talk hurts them, and hurts the game. Right here is a prime example.

this is so true

[torq]

Originally Posted by mcgiva

I always wondered this but never enough to ask a dealer. When I bet a stack out and my opponent folds I usually just grab the stack so the dealer doesn't knock it over when they push the pot to me. Every now and then the dealer will be confused as to who won because they didn't see me grab my chips back and don't see any bets on the table. I'm assuming this isn't a big deal because I still have my cards in front of me, but would it be proper etiquette to let the dealer push the chips to me including what I just bet?

I generally do not touch anything in the pot. This is the only case I can think of that i would and I think it imperitive to make sure that I am 100% the only one with cards. Def not douchebag and rather a somewhat standard move. Well, standard maybe overstating it, but it is at least somewhat common.

EDIT: In memory (been while since I played live poker) I have held that stack in my hand in middle of table and waited for dealer confirmation that pot was coming my way.

[spyu]

Originally Posted by High Time John

Twice yesterday a known douche-bag intentionally over represented his hand, calling out a straight when he had nothing and without tabling his hand. I called the floor over and the floor said they have no rule against this. Is that normal to not have a rule?

Yeah I'm really surprised there is no rule against this. Seems like there should be. I almost got angled for a very big pot by a now well known pro. I called the river w/ TP and he said "Straight". But luckily I still tabled my hand and then he back pedaled and said, "Oh nevermind I thought I had a straight." Ever since then I've always been careful to still table my hand when I make a call.

[The Palimax]

I'll likely get some sort of reminder that it isn't 1890, but all of my old rule books expressly tell people they could lie about their hand, and had a cards speak rule; and is part of why showdowns (showing your cards, down on the table) were public RE:IWTSTH.

[bav]

Originally Posted by The Palimax

I'll likely get some sort of reminder that it isn't 1890, but all of my old rule books expressly tell people they could lie about their hand, and had a cards speak rule; and is part of why showdowns (showing your cards, down on the table) were public RE:IWTSTH.

Yeah, and your old rulebooks state (I think I recall) that verbal is never ever binding under any circumstance--all that matters is what chips are actually put forward. So saying "all-in" is not binding. Saying "I call" is not binding. Now if we can just build ourselves a hot tub time machine (personally, I'd settle for a hot tub, or a time machine, but to get both in one unit would be the cat's meow) we can find a game that uses those rules.

[AlanBostick]

The standard rule in most cardrooms is that if at the showdown after the betting is over player A overdeclares their hand, player B folds, and player A's hand is revealed, showing that they didn't have what they claimed, player B gets the pot.