Official CarbonPoker Support Thread - Page 706 - Carbon Poker

**CarbonChris** · 09-08-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

Chris,

I'm in no way involved with the article Noah wrote. I don't know the details, and he won't give them to me if I ask.

But I think calling it "baseless" speculation is pretty insulting to the work he's done for this forum over the past few months. He didn't wake up this morning and decide to just write a bull**** article for no apparent reason.

I suppose you are entitled to your opinion on the matter.

I've addressed the larger issue, and won't be commenting any further on the article.

Chipchucker5 · 09-08-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CarbonChris

I suppose you are entitled to your opinion on the matter.

I've addressed the larger issue, and won't be commenting any further on the article.

do u work for FTP too?

**CarbonChris** · 09-08-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chipchucker5

do u work for FTP too?

What more would you prefer I say? I'm not going to sit here and say that MY source at the DOJ says otherwise, cause that would be silly.

All I can do is give our side of it, do what I can to put players minds at ease. It's not the first time I've confirmed in this thread that player funds are segregated. It's not a line of connivence for today.

SantaCruz · 09-08-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chipchucker5

do u work for FTP too?

I just don't understand why someone would bother to take a cheap shot at someone who is doing his best to clarify what he can.

Most of that article is undeniably speculation. And the rest is extremely vague. The author doesn't even mention whether or not the proposed DOJ action is against online poker payment processors or sports betting payment processors. As I understand it, the skins use separate payment processors for each (even though some skins have been said to use their sportbetting processors for poker). In the past the Maryland DOJ has focused on sportbetting.

Both CarbonChris and RPMSeth prior to today have stated that the funds are segregated.

virtua_fish · 09-08-2011, 08:04 PM

Chris,

When is Merge going to allow new US players?

funkyj · 09-08-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CarbonChris

I know that I at least have covered this in the thread before, but I certainly understand the importance of the issue. Player funds ARE segregated and 100% safe. CarbonPoker is committed to the US market and that's not changing.

Honestly, the Subject Poker article, based on the comments I read earlier, is being seen for what it is. It's baseless speculation. Merge is staying in the US market.

I understand players taking a cynical view based on last 5 months, but there's no more plain way to say. Player funds are sperate and safe.

FTP's player funds were alledgedly "segregated". PokerStars were apparently "segregated and protected". I seem to recall the PokerStars (Isle of Mann regs?) system meant player funds were actually in a separate bank account and were 100% capitalized at all times.

I could easily have the facts wrong here but that I my recollection.

When Carbon says "funds are segregated" does that mean all player balances are in a separate bank account from company operating funds? What is your definition of 'segregated'. Feel free to use legalise.

thatsnotplusev · 09-08-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CarbonChris

What more would you prefer I say? I'm not going to sit here and say that MY source at the DOJ says otherwise, cause that would be silly.

All I can do is give our side of it, do what I can to put players minds at ease. It's not the first time I've confirmed in this thread that player funds are segregated. It's not a line of connivence for today.

Chris, I understand there's not too much you can say on something that may or may not even be true. One thing I would hope you could answer is this. IF the DOJ did end up targeting Carbon (merge), and U.S. players were completely blocked out, would we be able to withdraw after this was done? With PS, we all saw everyone eventually get there funds. FTP, well that's the other side of the coin. Can you guarantee players eventually getting there funds IF Black Friday part 2 did occur? I think this would put a lot of players at ease and more confident in keeping their money on the site.

SantaCruz · 09-08-2011, 08:55 PM

This is what RPMSeth had to say about segregated funds:

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Originally Posted by RPMSeth

I can speak for RPM, and it's the all same. All player funds are independent from operational expenses, and we are independently audited by eCogra.

And this is what the Blackchip Poker website has to say about segregated funds:

"You will be pleased to know BlackChip Poker account balances are all held in escrow. We are audited annually by eCOGRA to ensure we are in compliance with their guidelines."

Chipchucker5 · 09-09-2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

I just don't understand why someone would bother to take a cheap shot at someone who is doing his best to clarify what he can.

Calling Noah's article baseless speculation is super douchey given all of the extremely informative and incredibly accurate information he's provided for the community post BF. And anyone that knows him knows that he wouldn't publish an article that he just pulled out of his ass.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Most of that article is undeniably speculation. And the rest is extremely vague. The author doesn't even mention whether or not the proposed DOJ action is against online poker payment processors or sports betting payment processors. As I understand it, the skins use separate payment processors for each (even though some skins have been said to use their sportbetting processors for poker). In the past the Maryland DOJ has focused on sportbetting.

I'm not sure how you can call it vague when he's very explicit about the things he's unsure of and/or the things that no one on the planet can really predict. He's providing the information that he obtained and simply points out the things that he can't really comment on. When he says things like "It is not immediately clear what will happen next and how players should react to this news," that's pretty clearly NOT speculation..he's just being honest about something he doesn't know. Speculation would be him saying something like "They're prob gonna shut down merge and you guys should all withdraw asap."

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Both CarbonChris and RPMSeth prior to today have stated that the funds are segregated.

I have no idea whether or not the funds are segregated..I think it could go either way. But anyone that thinks people that work for poker sites are incapable of lying are pretty insane.

SantaCruz · 09-09-2011, 06:47 AM

I'm not questioning Noah's intelligence, commitment or motives. I just don't know why you are questioning CarbonChris'. He's simply expressing his opinion that the article is baseless speculation. People can express their opinions in forums; even people representing those mean nasty poker sites. I don't see the need for people to jump in and defend Noah's honor.

According to the article, some DOJ action might or might not take place regarding maybe sportbetting or maybe online poker processors involved with all or part of the Merge Network but now it might not happen at all or maybe it will happen later or maybe even earlier. I'd say that's a tad vague.

I specifically asked Noah in another thread if he was talking about sportbetting or poker processors. I also asked him if he was using one source for information or multiple sources (in the world of journalism that's very important to know). But Noah didn't respond to those 2 very simple questions.

ZeckoRiver · 09-09-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CarbonChris

I know that I at least have covered this in the thread before, but I certainly understand the importance of the issue. Player funds ARE segregated and 100% safe. CarbonPoker is committed to the US market and that's not changing.

Honestly, the Subject Poker article, based on the comments I read earlier, is being seen for what it is. It's baseless speculation. Merge is staying in the US market.

I understand players taking a cynical view based on last 5 months, but there's no more plain way to say. Player funds are sperate and safe.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

lol at subject poker article being baseless speculation. Sounds like the above. All the info in that baseless article by Noah where spot on. Gotta love the carbon reps righteous indignation though.

Isn't Carbon lisenced by the Kahnawakees who don't require funds to be segragated? That was one of the baseless claims of the article.

When will Carbon and Merge start letting in new U.S players since all is well and Merge is staying in US market? Dosen't make sense not to allow new US players onto the site if there is indeed no problem or worries with regard to DOJ.

ikestoys · 09-09-2011, 09:39 AM

Well credit is due when credit is due. Just received notice that my order has shipped. Thanks Chris.

**CarbonChris** · 09-09-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeckoRiver

All the info in that baseless article by Noah where(sic) spot on.

Is that what your source in the DOJ tells you as well?

**CarbonChris** · 09-09-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Well credit is due when credit is due. Just received notice that my order has shipped. Thanks Chris.

Glad to take care of this for you. It was overdue, and I'm happy we could resolve it.

**CarbonChris** · 09-09-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by murph0511

HUD's banned?

Hey guys,

On 9/1/2011 I received an email from CarbonPoker telling me that automated systems have detected the use of prohibited software in conjunction with the poker client. My account was suspended pending further review by their security team. I replied to let them know that the only poker related software that I run is Hold Em Manager. I received no contact from CarbonPoker until today except for automated responses to tell me that my emails were being forwarded to the person in charge, etc. CarbonChris was nice enough to respond to my PM here on 2p2 last night and he informed that my account was suspended for the use of a bot on my computer. I emailed support again to tell them this and that I do not and never have used any poker bot at their site or at any other. This afternoon my account was reinstated, and I was told "Please note you can use Holdem Manager to track your own play. However, you will not be allowed to use the HUD tools which are associated with the aforementioned software." Have HUDs always been banned on CarbonPoker and I just never realized it? Or is this a new change? Basically what I'm trying to find out, has this happened to anyone else, and are you guys using HEM's HUD at Carbon?

Thanks,
CTM

Just wanted to quickly address this as well. I spoke with a support in reference to this, because I was under the impression that HUDs were completely fine by our T&Cs as well. I think there was a miscommunication in the end.

Utilizing a HUD that tracks your own play, and that of players at your table is fine. What is not allowed is data mined hand histories to be utilized through a HUD. That is what was supposed to be conveyed, and that might have been miscommunicated. So no, HUDs are not banned or against the T&Cs.