For limit on Merge right now on a Saturday night there is one 1/2 game, one half filled .50/1.00 game and one 2/4 game. High rake has already killed limit on Merge. I don't think any promises in the future of lower rake is going to bring it back. Everyone has already moved to greener pastures.

Merge is entirely to blame for this. It doesn't matter if they change things for the better now. It's to late to get back these players. The only hope left is the new players in the micro's move into the .50/1.00 games one day. Will be a hard task to rebuild an entire player base at this point though. They just wiped out low and medium level limit players from it's player base. They all got tired of waiting for change and moved to a different network.

"Pressing hard" to implement change now is like drinking from an empty glass at this point. There's nobody left. You will have to rebuild from scratch.

Very constructive tone.

You left out the SIX 5/10+ games that I played for the last ELEVEN hours.

Cheers,

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Kahn

To bad they don't have medium or low limit games though don't you think? Especially on a Saturday night? However I'm glad you are happy with the way things are and I think it's great that a handful of players are sticking it out at high limits to keep those games alive. It's a very small pool of the same players multi-tabling though I've noticed. Very small group.

At the mid and low level games you don't find a dedicated group like that. I think they've been raked away long ago.

I'm not happy with the way things are, that's why I've been all over this issue helping to bring about change. You know this, as you've been in the internet poker thread. So how you can post such a thing is beyond my comprehension.


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Kahn

We are doing everything we can to get these changes enacted as quickly as possible.

No one has actively pushed for this change more than we have, and I am a little annoyed to think that it seems that some players seem to think that we are dragging our feet on this, or somehow are happy with the structure as it currently is.

Ryan

I just want to let you know that I think you and Chris are very reliable and understanding individuals, and do a great job supporting your player base who also are members of 2+2. However, I think why you get the impression that people are a bit annoyed at you is because this is one of the few places where people can express their dissatisfaction with Merge, not Carbon. This makes for a lot of negative feedback and disgruntled posts which is often misdirected or misinterpreted as being directed towards you and Chris, which is definitely not the case for me personally whenever I give any feedback that has to do with the Merge Network as a whole.

Just wanted to chime in so you guys know that you ARE appreciated, and hopefully stay that way with helpful support and response times.

Thanks Myx, we will most definitely continue to offer you guys the best support possible.

Ryan

Any further word on this, I thought Merge approved the changes awhile ago?

We have sent in our recommendations, and Merge have been putting together the new structure. We are just waiting for them to deliver that to us for review.

Our executive team have sent a follow up on this today, so hopefully we should know more in the near future.

We are still pushing to bring this live as soon as possible.

Ryan

Thanks for the update, I know the wheels turn slowly. Try to get this in for the big tournament push in September, maybe the skins can throw a bit of promo stuff in for LHE. It's summer so the games are pretty slow, but once the new rake kicks in give it some love to help bring in a few players.

Ryan, Thanks for the update and the effort

No worries at all guys.

Ryan

I'm a limit player and like everyone else I'd like to see a lower rake. Unfortunately a lot of players who think that a lower rake is going to turn them into winning players are going to be sorely dissappointed. Most of the players who blame the rake are actually losing because they just aren't as good as they think they are.

I've gotten into this argument before here at 2plus2. The rake is on the high side but it is definitely beatable. There is also a real lack of understanding in comparing the Merge rake structure to the tiered PokerStars rake structure.

My issue with the Merge network is that it has done nothing to promote LHE games. The promotions that Merge offer seldom even touch upon any of the limit games (Stud included). I think that promoting the games and consequently being able to table (and seat) select (rather than the table or seat selecting me) would have a much bigger impact on my profits than a slightly lower rake.

I also agree that this is a Merge problem, not a Carbon problem. From what I've consistently seen, Chris and Ryan seem to sincerely have the players' best interests at heart.

Maybe a little out of the thread and once we receive a slight rake decrease, I think it can only be slight as volume is just not there for larger ones. Maybe we can start a thread for promotion ideas on RPM/Carbon.

It is really merge that has to promote some but skins can help and if it gets more players in limit then so much the better. Maybe triple point limit hours, maybe a free roll limit tournament for monthly limit rake. Hopefully programmers for merge can break out limit rake vs BB rake. For those other limiters a HORSE or other game with limit bet structure could be a free roll.

Could Carbon comment on any ideas to promote the limit games. NL has plenty of promotion as it is the main game, a little help our way is appreciated. Also promotions shouldn't be for the grinders give the occasional player the most benefit.
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As for rake doesn't matter, I'll just say on stars, from the beginning I was always +BB/100.

Since those days I most likely play 3x better, and I'm a small -BB/100, games are tougher now but on stars with my skills now I would double my win rate. 3.6BB/100+ rake levels are a big hurdle to overcome. However what you clearly miss is this isn't about us grinders. I win with rakeback, I withdraw and don't deposit. All is good and I could continue, but stop and think the next time your at the table, what about the weak players. They never win they don't have a chance .. they are just raked to death. Give them a small boost and at least the get more entertainment and maybe play a few more months before moving on. Rec players are the life blood at the table. I'm amazed we get the action we do, but the well may well go dry.