I'm saying reassess the rake and psj structure , monitor how long games run and find the sweet spot. Is Having 50% of your revenue feed jackpots best for the small card room bottom line? when a big BBj gets hit, does that money go back in the poker circle of money, or does someone buy a car/other big purchase ? Design bonuses that can reasonably hit in a session and so that it injects cash into a game, not ones where large sums of money potentially leave the poker world. The hideaway owner is saying the player pool is shrinking, so reassess how to maintain the pool.

The monster Monte Carlo promo at tulalip was fun, then they changed it to high hands during the week, but still psj drop $3 on weekends for quads beaten bbj and royal $500. Making weekenders pay for a promo for your midweek regs I don't think is the way to go and is an example of draining the pool.

Very cool. I used to dream of the day such a game would be possible. Wish it would have happened ten years ago though.

Fortune Casino Review: BROASTED CHICKEN

Fortune recently updated their menu. Broasted chicken, 1/2 a bird, available for $7 with discount. Per wikipedia, 'broasting' is "a method of cooking chicken and other foods using a pressure fryer." Ordered with a side of mash.

Note the chicken pictured in the article looked nothing like Fortune's offering.

My primary criteria for good fried chicken is that it should be YUMMY. Thats the first thought that should enter your head. Unfortunately the broasted chicken largely failed.

- The chicken was dry. However, the thigh was amazingly juicy and perfect. Instead of 1/2 bird it should be white or dark, your choice because they take different times to cook. If it was 4 thighs instead of half a bird it would be a no brainer
- The breading was meh. It wasn't thick and crunchy like ezell's, it was more a thin home-style breading.
- The mashed potatoes were microwaved, sad, and did not come with gravy
- It also came with a side of cooked broccoli, probably microwaved, but pleasantly salty

1.5/4 Stars

Reviewer paid for the chicken

What's min/max buy in? I feel like there might be an attempt for people to play "No Limit" and buy in for $100, which is terrible for the game. Was 20/40 still going strong? I wonder what effect this game might have on that?

In most markets the NL or spread limit games coming in have hurt the smaller limit games more than the 20/40 level.

100 min/300 max buy in. A couple 20/40 players were playing in 1/3 game while waiting for their 20/40 seat, I wasn't paying attention to how many tables they had going on that, but there must have been a little list most of the night

What does this mean? What small NL game doesn't frequently have people buying in for $100?

Actually smaller buyins are much better for the long-term health of the games.

True story. Of course deep stack NL players, actually any NL player who is very skilled hates this concept, but it's the same idea I wrote to Teresa above.

If Fortune wants to protect the quality of the player base (and make more rake) they should make the 1-3 spread game a much smaller spread game. maybe 40-100 buy in. ($40 max bet)

and a 2-5 Spread game with a $200-$300 buy in would be better for the house. ($300 max bet)

Anyway, I'm excited about the larger limits and hope we can run a larger mixed game in the future that contains Omaha, Big O, NL, PLO and Limit Hold'em. 20/40 for the limit games and 2/5 blinds for the $300 spread games.

Fortune has adjusted their over size chip rule.
No longer a automatic raise.
A single over sized will be considered a CALL unless announced raise before crossing the betting line.

How do poker rooms, especially in Washington, manage to screw up so many rules that have been pretty much decided years ago? Poker in Washington is like watching poker evolve on the Galapagos Islands.

How do the card room managers up here ask "How do they enforce that rule in 95% of other poker rooms across the country? Good, lets do it exactly the opposite!"

FB

As surprising as it sounds, I have to conclude they're not always aware. For example Fortune runs a very successful new limit cardroom, but a very NL-specific situation of the Oversize Chip Rule comes up. I wouldn't be surprised if they just improvised something, not bothering to reason that hundreds of rooms in the US spread NLHE under established rules so perhaps it would be good to Google for those rules.

(Aside: If I'm playing 4/8 and call a limp with a bright green $25 preflop, isn't that still a call under standard LHE rules? But they'd probably make me color it out beforehand.)

If I ran a room my first assignment to the floors would be to skim 2+2 B&M for 30 minutes and be prepared to present an interesting case at the next staff meeting. Why not benchmark against the very best poker rooms in the world?

I'm really glad Teresa at least showed up ITT. Fortune guys, if y'all are reading, please prove me wrong with a PM or post!

I would imagine that most people that work at Fortune have never heard of 2+2. Most people that play there have probably never heard of this site. Not surprising they had a few hiccups the first day they ran a spread game. Hopefully it will get straightened out as time passes.

Even if Fortune just started running spread, and nobody who works there reads 2+2, it would still be surprising that nobody has ever had the experience of playing spread/no-limit at another casino or cardroom.

I think that rather than skimming 2+2 the time would be better spent actually playing spread/no-limit at Muckleshoot for a while (heck, just posting blinds and folding everything) and observing.

Both have value and neither needs to be done to excess. My rationale for the 2+2 assignment would be that regional misunderstandings ("We've always done it that way!") can arise in certain locales, so it's best to have some notion of how they do things elsewhere, especially Las Vegas and California. Secondarily a nice thing about a forum is that it distills weeks of uncommon situations into a short read.

Of course knowing your local market is important too and I agree that even a little time spent playing WA "N"L would be really valuable.

Oh god, it's repeat of AKQJ10 and his quest to both demonstrate his superiority as an outsider and his needs to educate us ignorant fools in Washington of the game poker.

I think at those buy ins and the relative new concept of the spread game at Fortune, I wouldn't be too worried about the health of the game for a while.

The poster nick-no-hair is a Fortune employee so maybe direct your feedback to him.

No need to waste time on the ad hominems--I have no idea why you think you know my motives and my motives really don't matter to the discussion--but a sincere, substantive discussion on this point would be great. Is there any value for staff in Puget Sound area casinos to be aware how things are done in say Las Vegas or California? This is in addition to knowing their own market.

+1. I would love to start/play in these games as well.

I am a recreational weekend player, a Tulalip regular for many years. My monthly hours put me regularly in the top 40 to 50 range (when it mattered - remember?) Know what? My cash play hours is down close to zero now because of this mentality that it is OK to screw me the weekend regular. I don't play for Monte Carlos or bad beats. I play for fun (a recreational player!). But this mindset is wrong. Not playing there is my way of telling the Tulalip to shove-it.

I do play tournaments. When the dealers ask "where you been", I tell 'em why. Wish Chad or Sam would do the same. I'd tell 'em.

Taking a rake for Monte Carlos without the chance to win it back is wrong. It is bad business in the long-run.

Do you know how many others have taken the same action? As a fan of customer service, I'd like to see you succeed in changing the policy. But enough need to join to give them incentive to change.

Other regulars have expressed the same disgust. If this translates to not playing cash games on weekends - I don't know.

If you're playing poker anywhere other than the Muck on the weekends, you're doing it wrong regardless of your reasons... The games there are still the nuts.

I can say I have done the exact same thing. I used to be a top 50 hour earner at Tulalip a couple years ago as well until they started doing this. The month that did it for me was a couple years ago when they ran the $20 food voucher for getting your aces cracked as the ONLY promo running on the weekends while still taking a jackpot drop. I have stopped playing cash game almost completely at Tulalip on the weekends since then. The principle of it is wrong and I knew the only thing I could do about it is take my "business" elsewhere. I play only at Muckleshoot or Fortune on the weekends now, and rarely play any cash at Tulalip for the same reason as you. Management there does not seem to care how we feel about it tho as many have complained. Unfortunately with the smaller room now they can't run any decent promos without the waiting list reaching 40+.