Well, did Seat 9 call before you acted?
Or, did Seat 9 do nothing, you raised out of turn, and then Seat 9 called the original bet?

What the dealer said is that the girl said "call" then for whatever reason took 15s to put her money in the middle. But she was so quiet I didnt hear her, she had her hands over her cards, the dealer's arm also might have been blocking the view, and the dealer didnt say anything. I say there a good 15s thinking about how much to raise. If I saw the girl call, heard call, I would have just called with my str8 on the 3 flush board knowing damn well she was highly likely to have a flush. Like someone said earlier they dont have a raise button and slowplay everything.

Could I have taken back my bet? I know in other casinos if you bet out of turn it doesnt count. Its unethical to bet out of turn, then take the bet back, let others do whatever, then change what you do.

If you didn't ask for a ruling, we'll never know.

But...

Three to the turn. First player bets. Second player doesn't visibly or audibly do anything. Why do you act? I'm sorry, until I see her cards head into the muck, I wait. If I miss her mucking and I look a bit dumb, fine. But I wait until I am sure of the action.

The dealer is not a nanny.

My favorite LC dealer is Michael B (don't remember whole last name). He is white, has a grey'd mullet, is awesome at dealing, and a super nice guy. There is also an asian guy in his 30s with a mullet and a mole that is pretty cool too.

There are some bad ones though. My one pet peeve dealers do is when someone clearly meant to raise by throwing in one chip...but didn't announce so it is a call...and the dealer doesn't say anything (as if they assume they know they are calling). Then someone at table (me a lot) has to be mr. rulebook and explain that it was a call. You have to catch your own string bets too.

Im a very moral player that like to keep the game moving for the other players. But "F" it Im going to exploit the dealer incompetence. Im just going to wait till they say its my turn. One of two things will happen

#1 the dealer says its my turn and I see the action
#2 the dealer passes me and says "check" for me and other people behind start checking and betting. Then I tell them I havent decided but I get to see what everyone else behind me does. I see this happen a lot at LCs.

fyp

If they skip me then its not my fault when I make no indication of anything.

Not kidding my casino there have been so many times the people do their thing ahead of me and Im sitting there thinking with my hand in the open with a bloody chip on it and the dealer points to me and says "check" with their broken accent then 1-3 other players behind check or bet/call/raise like right away. I've gotta stop the action before they burn the turn. Ive lost too much NOT being careful so Angus is right, I was dumb.

I'm pretty sure Cal Grand has a no-flop-full-drop policy for at least the 2/3/5 NL game. The buyin is 400 max.

LC: I got screwed twice yesterday with dealer faults...it was lame. I had to call the floor guy over the second time and that pale white bald **** wouldn't even hear my case and gave me 'tude. **** that guy...

other notes:
The coffee was surprisingly good. The Hawaiian pizza was god awful.

And I table changed with 500 in the 1-1-2 and they wouldn't let me keep my stack...had to go back to 200. Apparently they encourage ratholing...

When you table change, you are a new player. This is standard.

mmm...didn't know. I must have played at some San Diego room that was nonstandard and I got my standards mixed up or something.

Ok here is a question I thought of.

the 1/2 game is $4 limps and 30-40% of the table are shorties.

Why not simply go to the 2/5 table with $240 with $5 limps and a higher buy in for better play post flop?! Its the same thing as $200 in 1/2.

Is the competition that different?

Yeah...I mean the 3/5 table is worlds tougher than the 1-1-2 table. 3/5 "tough" necessarily...but the 1-1-2 table is full of rank amateurs and pure table game gamblers.

On 2-3 occasions last night players bet/folded over half their stack to me. They have no idea what a big/small bet is, size bets without calculating pot size...no stack awareness. They don't calculate outs correctly, know hot/cold percentages, understand one pair hands, play big hands in extremely obvious ways. Forget about balancing play. etc etc etc

I plan to log 200-300 hours in this game over the next few months...and I'm keeping records. I'll share then and I have a feeling it will be impressive.

edit: I should note that my session I posted the picture of earlier was quite epic, and pretty much guarantees being up over 200-300 hours. I have since won 700 more.

I posted this in another thread...but will repost here:

Anyone familiar with a decent way to get to the San Jose cardrooms from San Fran without a car? I 511.org'd the trip and it was a nightmare. Do they run a shuttle from the SJ caltrans station at least?

buy a beater with that stack u posted

The skill level isn't that different, but really depends on your style and your bankroll.

If you're buying in for 200, the $4 open and the 3-blind 1-1-2 makes the blinds relative to your stack pretty similar between sitting at 1-2-2 or 3-5.

Your opponents at 1-2 will mostly have stacks between 40-150, and makes your decisions at this game really easy. You can literally sit there and play tight, and be handed over these medium stacks with no gamble at all throughout the night. Even if you get sucked out it's rarely anything more than 100, and if you play smart and patiently your stack will keep growing. (and by tight I don't mean internet tight like 10% VPIP, but playing hands you can get value from based on how others are playing)

Your opponents at 3-5 will have alot more money in front, ranging from 500-few K. you can easily double up your 200 bc players there are still bad and loose, but now you are sitting with 400 and your opponents still cover. Pot sizes are alot bigger, and you might not be comfortable getting in a 2000 dollar pot which can grow easily with some of the lineup there.

Ratholing is not really viable either, because unlike the 10-20 tables of 1-1-2 tables running, there usually is 1-3 3-5nl tables going at all times, and it is a must move with a main game.

I think these 2 kind of run hand-in-hand. Probably speaks to my lack of adjusting as a player, but the amount of slowplaying in the 1/1/2 game is starting to drive me insane. Guess they don't need to push the cart if I'm going to pull it, but hopefully you know what I mean. Another thing I still can't wrap my head around is the amount of overcalling that goes on in this game pre.

Agree with the above post saying the game is a tough win if it's extremely limp-y. That $6 drop eats the game up quickly. Conversely, if there's action, it's very beatable in my experience. I'm nowhere near the player MikeyObviously is (that stack pic is insane!), but you can beat the game by nitting it up if you choose.

It was mentioned above about the lack of people playing middle pairs correctly. Would love to hear some the thoughts on what most are doing wrong.

Ok, going to take down my share of the 146k BBJ tonight.

I guess it depends on your definition of "decent". You can take Caltrain to Mountain View station, get on light rail, and end up about 1/4 mile from Bay 101. Light rail adds about 1/2 hour to the trip and runs frequently.

Not familiar with any shuttles from Caltrain to either place, nor any good way to get to Garden City. You can probably find a bus from Caltrain station that gets close to GC though, check out vta.org

Blek that means my trip to Bay 101 from Millbrae is 90m. I'd rather drive to Oaks @ 45m

If you're in Millbrae, AJ's is one stop up at San Bruno. 5 minute walk from train station.

I just went to Oaks and by far its the better place than AJs and LCs. Nicer, cleaner, friendly people, better dealers, more security. $2 limps, no flop no drop, $3+$1 rake. Had some very very VERY bad players at my table today. Was up $300 when I got almost back to back bad beat. 3rd time in 30 hours play (nut flush vs 2nd nut flush) and a bluffing fish calls a monster bet on the turn for a gutshot only to nail it on the river. I check to him on the river to let him bluff he shoves I call "haha.....f#*$".

do they have no limit at oaks and if so what structure and how often do the games run?

Oaks doesn't have no limit. They have something called spread limit. However, the spread is wide enough that the game plays like no-limit.

100max
blinds: $1/$2
betting range: $2-$100
buy-in range: $40-$200
drop: $4
1-4 tables running 24/7

200max
blinds: $2/$4
betting range: $4-$200
buy-in range: $80-$400
drop: $5
1 table everyday, but doesn't run the full 24hr. It usually start in the afternoon and dies by midnight.




I'm going to be there in an hour. I had plans to play at AJ and LC until I remember today's my dad's birthday. We had a simple dinner. Now that I'm home, I have no motivation to go to south SF when Oaks is only 20 min away.

Yup their spread limit really makes no difference in the play. Food is decent too. Sucks Im on some ******ed losing streak -11BIs so far but the place was by far the best of LC and AJ.

Ugh... I'm extremely tired after a 23 hr session. Sunday morning 5-8am at Oaks. Then went to CaliGrand till 12pm. Went back to Oaks planning to stay at least till midnight.

Around 6pm, a couple poker buddies called me asking if I want to go to a casino. I laughed and said, "sure, but you gotta pick me up at Oaks."

Around 8pm, they picked me up and we went to Thunder Valley. Stayed there till 4am. Didn't get home till 6am.

after swinging up and down multiple buy-ins, I broke about even. After subtracting the traveling expenses, I'm up bout $60.

I'm never doing that again...