I thought he had made it 400k total but he made it 400k more. I probably misjudged the value of the chips that were out there or misheard it. I don't think the dealer pulled the bet in, I was stunned that I owed another 200k. Was a bit tired. Had the correct odds vs a 2x raise figuring I had 8 outs on average even if I didn't get any value on the river.

We're talking about the same thing right? You're right, it's nonsense, just like you were right about what I meant with the text you somehow intercepted, because your deep level of understanding of human psychology allows you to know exactly what I was thinking. Just like you're better than me at all the games. Must feel good to know so much.

It's nonsense to call a minraise but not a 3x raise. It's nonsense to assign different ranges to each. It's nonsense to assign a weaker range to a smaller raise. It's nonsense to not ask when the stakes are that high.

Your response is perfect, though. Thank you for removing all doubt in my mind.

That's interesting. I was probably getting roughly 5.4 to 1 to call 200k more and if I could make the best hand 16% of the time I was golden, which having 8 outs will accomplish. With a 3x raise I would have been getting roughly 3.2 to 1 to call and would need to win 24% of the time. Of course I didn't do all that math in my head at the time, I just already knew that I wouldn't have the correct price with a 3x raise and I hated putting in 200k more. As I was chip leader, I didn't think he would want to commit as much of his stack against me without a good hand. Was my biggest mistake of the tournament but was still chip leader after that. The hand that got me to agree to chop was losing AQ < A10 aipf against Greg and becoming the short stack.

I challenged you to tennis and you beat me 6-0, I'm sure you could beat me in a foot race too. To you, I'm a prop bet fish as well.

Agree. Also my opinion on spots like that are that odds don't really matter like the way a lot of people apply them. You are taking a cash game concept of odds and applying it to a unique tournament situation. I.e. you are on the bubble of a major tournament with 6 people who have 1bb left, you call an allin on the flop for your entire stack on a FD getting 6 to 1...

I disagree with the odds don't matter. I called several tournament specific all ins because I calculated I was getting the correct odds with hands that I wouldn't call in a cash game because players aren't shoving small pairs and Ax in a cash game and there are no antes in a cash game. We were all pretty deep with good structure was more like a cash game. Regarding how I knew he was much more likely to have some hands more than others, for example I didn't really think he had QQ or JJ in his range much because of some strong preflop tells I've recently acquired combined with watching his playing style. And while 109s and even 109o was a possibly my read on the flop was that he connected in a pair way.

I feel like your example is valid but is not at all similar to being 3 handed and deep. There are many times in a tournament where I won't call to defend my blinds in a tournament getting correct odds out of position with the likely worst hand but that changes a lot as its short handed and deep.

I didnt say odds don't matter. I said they
are often applied incorrectly.
In tournaments the actual pot odds for the hand are just a small portion of the equation factoring into any decision point.

The reason they apply more directly in cash games is because the chip to money value is 1 to 1 and the situations that arise have less variables in terms of how your decision translates to dollars.

That makes sense.

This

Thunder Valley has lowered its jackpot requirement for the 4-8 Limit Omaha High Low game: quad deuces beaten (instead of quad eights), pocket pair NOT required for quads.

Lol at the live stream cash game there was so many mis played hands and wtf moments I was literally amazed some of these fish could play hands that bad like the kj one pair 5 k river shove into the 600 bet when the board is k102qx wtf or two pair over plays for stacks on scary rivers ..was interesting to say the least

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Someone once told me you can't win if you fold and I took that advice to heart. Most of the hands I misplayed are the ones I couldn't find where my fold button was! I remember a hand where I folded the better ace high which was regrettable. Just because I think I'm beat doesn't mean I'm right, right? Well lately I've been right far too often, so I've paid off a lot of nicer hands. The good news is that I've very rarely been bluffed. Anyways I do like the live stream and it would be cool to find the hero fold however not many of those hands have come up where I can make a huge laydown and be right.

Wtf are you talking about?

Heart ^^

Going to be in sac tomorrow during the day, is stones my best option to find some 2/5?

You can play on Twitch!

I know you're constantly attempting to be funny abar, but man is it always painful stuff ..

all drax asked was a simple question that needed a local player's knowledge.

If you want to play at least 2-5, I think Stones would be best. Next best would be Capitol or Thunder with Capitol having the greater likelihood of having a game. If you want the softest game, I'd go to Limelight.

What do you guys think of the commentators on Stones Twitch channel?

I wouldn't kick them out of bed.

hi all.

anyone have a decent amount of experience playing 1/3 in Sac and 1/2/3 at m8trix/101 in the bay area? I'm from the bay area but am frequently visiting my girlfriend in the sacramento area. I think I've read multiple times via 2p2/internet that sac is shark-infested. Any thoughts? Relatively new to live poker so....

Everyone's solid in Sac no money to be made

Does anyone know if / what time the plo at stones goes on Mondays? Thanks in advance

Typically around 4PM...Also, they are starting 1/3 PLO on Friday nights.