They just went through the process of getting a sizeable addition approved by the county. Supposedly it is going to be for table games and a restaraunt or two.

wait..new casino in ocean city?!

thought National Harbor in Pg county was the last of the casinos allowed by md law?

Ocean Downs has been around in some form or fashion for 60+ years. It was a track, then when MD approved slots they added them. Then it became a casino in 2010.

My grandmother used to work at ocean downs in the early 70s. As did my dad. Used to pick up empty beer cups when I was like 8 so he could skim the register. Lol, how is it that I'm a degen?

Harness racing was the poop back then... The dirt lot was literally packed every night during the summer.

Please do not refer to National Harbor as the last of the Maryland casinos. No decisions have been made yet on where the PG County casino will go. By perpetuating the idea that it is a forgone conclusion will only support Penn National's position that the bid and proposal process was not fair and just.

FYI: Penn National has proposed a huge facility at Rosecroft that will include a 40 table poker room. They have offered to give back 100% of profits to the State and give more than $300 million of in kind monies to hospital and education retirement programs. The only money they will make is rent back from the casino and management fees.

This offer is the first of its kind and may be very attractive to Maryland regulators; one that is too good to be turned down. I have no idea what MGM-National or Greenwood Parx-Ft Washington have proposed; perhaps they will be as equally ambitious.

The selection of the last Maryland casino location is far from over.

LOL, wildly successful casino at Rosecroft has razor-thin profit margin because management fees and high rents suck out all the profits. Meanwhile, the restaurant and conference center profits greatly exceed profits from casino operations.

(Sorry for the cynicism, but...)

Wow, you'd really want to play poker at Rosecroft over National Harbor? That seems much less accessible to me and much less appealing to casual players.

And why would anyone care about "perpetuating the idea that it is a forgone conclusion will only support Penn National's position that the bid and proposal process was not fair and just"? Penn National is the company that sued to stop table games in MD. I'd rather not see them get more of a market share than they already have in MD after that.

First, I support a decision for National Harbor. 100%. I think what Penn did to fight the legislation is beyond comprehension for a number of principled reasons.

Second, it's called fair and open competition. If Penn loses and can make the case that the State had "already" made up their mind.....the opening of said casino will end up in legal limbo for a good while.....while we all wait for its opening. The prior legal maneuvers of Penn National don't really matter anymore.

Third, every single time I play at CT or MDL someone at the table always gets into a discussion about when National Harbor will break ground and open. I politely say that the decision on a specific location has not actually been made yet and that there are 3 locations being considered. To which I usually get an incredulous look of disbelief because almost everyone I meet does not understand that National Harbor is not a done deal....yet. I am just trying to educate and inform as to the actual facts; not speculate.

Fourth, the State considered throwing out MGM and Fort Washington's bids recently due to previous and questionable business relationships at other out-of-state locations. However, certain agreements were in place or were put into place to satisfy the State that they could proceed with the evaluation of their proposals.

Lastly, my statement Re: "First of its kind and may be hard to refuse" (sic) was not my position, but that inferred/expressed in the WaPost article. As the article stated in further detail....it could be a ploy by Penn to have a locations that is a "push" on profits, while protecting its other locations. Their reply in the article "Absolutely not." I would argue that MGM-National Harbor (if it comes to fruition), Horseshoe Balt, and MD Live would really hurt Penn revenue.....they would be bottom feeders as far as entertainment venues are concerned.

Just offering facts and letting folks know there was an article in the WaPost for those interested.......

Thanks for the clarifications. Your post makes more sense now that I know the opinions offered were not your own.

have they broke ground?

There was what appeared to be construction activity/preparation last month, but it wasn't obvious that it was a casino-related expansion. If that makes sense. It was on the south side, toward the horse housing.

No worries, I realize now that my original post did not reference the WaPo article like I thought it did. It was in the Tuesday morning 10/22 edition...yesterday. The other article on the MGM and Ft Washington bids being allowed by Maryland regulators to stay in contention for the PG location (the discussion was about some questionable business relationships/dealings in other jurisdictions) was sometime in the last couple weeks; probably last week. I don't recall the specific date.

What scares the heck out of me is that I had no idea there were issues with MGM's candidacy. Coupled with Penn's aggressive proposal at Rosecroft.....the end result may not be what I or many others would like to see happen.....e.g, a competing casino/resort at National Harbor whether it be MGM or another major brand besides Penn.

Here are the links to the articles....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...300_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...c3e_story.html

This is kind of a random post, but if there are any 1/2-2/5 regs that want to talk strat on a regular basis PM me. I feel like I have a good grasp of the game and I like talking poker almost as much as I like playing.

Update:

Parx-Greenwood presented their proposal yesterday. They seemed to have one-upped Penn-Rosecroft.

PR proposed to build a $700 million casino with 40 poker tables and give back 100% of profits after rent and management fees. This is a soft gift in that you don't know what the profit will be "after" rent and management fees.

PG offered to build a $800 million casino in Ft Washington with 50 poker tables. They are offering to contribute $100 million hard money to improve Indian Head Highway. Details here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...40e_story.html

MGM-National Harbor is scheduled to present Friday. I expect the article to show up with details in Saturday or Sunday Metro section. I hope they pull out all the stops.

In all cases the State should benefit nicely from Question 7. MD Live revenues have been pumping money into the education funds as a few recent articles have indicated. Question 7 was not about gambling (we already had lowly slots) but only to add table games.

Is there any interest in starting a regular 8/16, 15/30, 20/40 omaha8 game at md live? Morning, afternoon, or evening would be fine with me. There seems to be names for 8/16 o8 all the time but its rare for the game to get going. Any ideas or interest, please respond. Thanks!

There were some folks who had the gall to complain that MD Live wasn't allowing them to take free drinks out of the casino. I don't think that the other casinos are going to be much competition for Live if that complaint was the biggest issue for some people.

Did poker die in MD already? You guys are quiet...

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There would be a lot more chatter if people knew this thread existed

^^ This. Also, I think most of the discussion about any Md poker is being held in the Md Live! thread in the Poker Venues forum.

A month or two ago, I posted in this thread to see what the excitement level was for the Horseshoe Baltimore. I didn't get much of a reaction. I think that people are just generally happy to have poker at Maryland Live, and other options are less important. There still are some people who play at the other close casinos, but right now poker in Maryland pretty much is exclusively poker at Maryland Live.

Horseshoe is advertising they will be opening a 30 table poker room next summer, so presumably when they open, they will be making a big push to steal ML players. No one knows how that will work out. I recently saw a news article saying Horseshoe will take 23% of business away from ML, but they can't know exactly how poker will be influenced.

Personally, I live in Baltimore, I'm looking forward to someone competing for my business. I'm prepared to drive right past Horseshoe and go to ML if that is where the good games are and they continue to treat me well. And if I find Horseshoe can give me a better experience than the already high bar that ML has set, that's even better.

Until then, Maryland poker is pretty much Maryland Live poker.

I try to stay on top of deleting anything that isn't at least tangentially related to Live in that thread. If I've missed something, please let us know via the report post function.

Agreed. I expect that this thread will become much more lively once there are three rooms in the DC to Bmore corridor.

Do any of you know anything about Orioles tickets? It looks like they sell them through Stubhub? Also while I heard that it's relatively cheap to see games there, do weekend games against Yankees or Red Sox normally go for $70-ish or more? The Sox are there in September and I'm looking to get a few tix.

Single game tickets usually don't go on sale through the team site until after season ticket packages are done.

You can buy partial season tickets too, and most packages guarantee a few games vs them.


Yankee/Redsox series games are definitely going to cost more through stubhub. Especially with two decent seasons in a row but they aren't impossible to get yet.

Another site to look into during the season is bmorearoundtown.com

They do tailgates and stuff during football season and also do packages during the baseball season.