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Originally Posted by PSLive Fred
Hi seriallooser,
Thank you for your comments.
The BIG difference in structures between PokerStars LIVE Macau vs. Other PS brands is often overstated. While there are certainly some differences, it's not nearly as far apart as some think it is.
The issue arises when comparing different buy-ins or just looking at start banks alone.
BUYIN: Comparing a $500-1k USD buy-in Main Event in Macau vs. a 5k USD EPT event doesn't quite work. They may both be Main Events but clearly the buy-in will often affect the structure that's offered. If you look at the ACOP Main Event it has a 30k start bank and 90min. levels.
START BANKS: Even the 15k start bank for the Red Dragon vs. the 25k start bank of Estrellas isn't what it appears to be on the surface. The first level of Red Dragon is 25/50 (300bb) while Estrellas begins at 50/100 (250bb).
To answer your other question, the PokerStars Championship will be very consistent globally and structures are definitely part of that package. It will be an extension of the current EPT to the rest of the world but offering an even greater player experience.
Cheers,
Fred
Hi Fred,
Thanks for your answer, it’s good news that the PokerStars Championship to be held in macao from March 30th to April 9th 2017 “will be an extension of current EPT to the rest of the world”.
Does it mean there will be no APPT (er I mean Pokerstars festival in May
)
So it also means the payout will be like the new EPT Payout of 20%?
On a side let’s compare macao structures vs EPT / UKIPT / FPS / Estrellas structures.
CASE #1 , 1,000 € events
Red Dragon 12,000 HKD 1,381 € Starting Stack : 15K levels : 40/60 & 75 for FT
UKIPT / FPS / Estrellas / Eureka : 1,100 € Starting stack : 25K levels : 45/60
You mention the fact that Red Dragon starts at 25/50 but that irrelevant as levels are shorter and Red Dragon is skipping some levels for 75/150 & 250/500 , which means level 7 of Red Dragon is 300/600 and level 7 of UKIPT / FPS / Estrellas / Eureka is … 300/600
300/600 is usually when things starts to get exciting, in Macao that makes 25BB based on the starting stack , in Europe that makes almost 42BB. I think that’s a BIG difference.
CASE #2 500€ events
Macau ACOP Platinium XIV 5,500 HKD (633 euros) Starting stack : 10,000 levels : 40’
UKIPT super series main event 550£ (645 euros) Starting stack : 25,000 levels : 40/50/60
More details here
http://www.ukipt.com/assets/files/sc...es_Event_2.pdf
Yes Macau starts at 25/50 and Europe at 50/100 but once again it doesn’t change anything level 6 is 300/600 at both places!
So the differences are huge, Macau always offer much less chips for the same buyin as Europe and has a faster structure.
CASE #3 Satellite
Freezeout Sat of Estrellas 200 + 20 € starting stack 7,000 level : 20’
Freezeout Sat of Red Dragon is 1200 HKD (138€) starting stack is 2,000 level : 20’
Satellite are in my book Macau biggest problem (but I might be bitter because I’ve played about 10 sat there, never played more than 2 hands per sat, and never shipped the ticket )
Here is my compared & detailed analysis of Macau vs EPT for Sat.
Europe
Stack 7000
Level SB BB Ante BB/Starting stack
1 25 50 140,00
2 50 100 70,00
3 75 150 46,67
4 100 200 25 35,00
5 150 300 50 23,33
6 200 400 50 17,50
7 250 500 75 14,00
8 300 600 100 11,67
9 400 800 100 8,75
10 500 1000 100 7,00
Macau
stack 2000
Level SB BB Ante BB/Starting stack
1 25 50 40,00
2 50 100 20,00
3 100 200 10,00
4 200 400 5,00
5 300 600 3,33
6 500 1000 2,00
7 700 1400 1,43
8 1000 2000 1,00
9 1500 3000 0,67
10 2000 4000 0,50
note that's the "normal" sat for Red Dragon, there is a "turbo" one with a starting stack of 2,500 and 15' levels.
note that i'm not critizing or anything, just stating facts, after 5 levels having 3bb or 23bb , that seems quite far apart in my book : )