I was wondering when Schu was going to chime in. Pay attention everyone,,,there is no one here who knows more on the rules then Schu...

you have all seen me chime in from time to time..i am happily retired from the poker room..but now you all see why the rules were enforced at the poker room was for very good reason.

All the complaints when i ran out of chips...and the pleas of ..cant we sell them to him..cant i buy some from her..
.NO YOU CANT...THERE ARE RULES!!!

i played at Snookers...i would see 3 violations in the first 5 minutes i was there. What amazes me is,,,it's not that hard to follow the rules and run straight,,protect the supplier..protect the charity..protect your own integrity.

As a player...most if not all could care less about the rules...only more about what kind of juicy 2/5 game they could find. The players dont realize they are their making money for charities...and profit for supplier...

i say good riddance to Don and Snookers...sometimes integrity and character matter....


By the way...Caveman...excellent blog as ever....good read

Mr. Pilsbarry,
Can you comment on the cheating that occurred (was noticed quickly, and stopped) in late 2009 I think. 2 Players colluding, with one taking money out of the pot? You may not remember it like I do, but I know you (or someone, not Big Al) tossed them within 3-4 visits.
This was back when I was in your room 3-7 times a week.

Mark

Maybe include how it was noticed, handled, and dealt with, internally within AGS and at the table with the players.

Ran well at MCC 2/5 this morning, +600ish for 3 hours of play. Great work if you can get it.

Weird semi-ethical dilemma, or maybe I'm being a total softie for even thinking about it, you tell me....

Guy to my right has obviously been on a massive steamer, has 5K+ in chips when I sit down. Rumor has it (from gregarious veteran-type on my left) that it was possibly 6K+ a few hours before. I ask guy-on-right at one point, and he tells me he's been playing for about 20 hours, and I read this as true.

Two hours in it becomes clear to me that in his fatigued state he has lost the ability to fold good hands against the likelihood of excellent hands. This pays off for several people, including me. Normally I would feel pretty good about this, but there's a side of me that feels bad that a guy who put together such an awesome run and then pissed 40-50% of it away.

I think to myself, "if he's still here when I check out, I'll give him friendly advice to at least get up and take a walk or something." He ends of checking out just before me anyway.

What's the etiquette for dealing with someone whose game you respect but who's donking like a drunkfish? Honor amongst thieves? Every man for himself? What do you think?

Unless he's a friend of yours you shut the **** up and let him spew it away.

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Gambit running over the plo8 game like a pimp. I need to learn how to get aces to hold up so well.

You have no obligation to get the guy away from the table just because he's put himself in the position of poor decision making. What if he was on tilt? What if he had a few drinks? What if a bee flies into the room and stings his nut sack while he's trying to get a read on the river? A person's mental edge is one of the biggest edges in this game, and capitalizing is part of the game. It is absolutely no different than betting big when you notice your opponent doesn't understand pot odds.

If it was someone who for some reason I had an interest in them keeping their money (if they were a close friend, or my grandma, or whatever) I'd pull them aside, but you're most certainly not under any moral obligation to help anyone keep his money.

If a guy is a fish at poker, crowds gather and look forward to the payout. If this guy is really 20 hours in and losing money like crazy, it doesn't matter how good his poker is: He's a mental game fish, his money is going to someone else, and all you have control over is whether it's going to you or not.

Off topic but noting that I would change my position if the player was so new at the game they didn't have full knowledge of the rules. I wouldn't misrepresent the game rules or otherwise cheat just because my opponent is too new/drunk/stupid to notice if I did.

If the parameters of the game are set and everyone is following the rules, your moral obligation is set. If someone is playing poorly within that framework, that is on them, no matter what the reason is.

(also, I think most of us have, at one time or another, been on the sucker end of the "guess who isn't playing their A game" war. It happens.)

+1000

The only other possible course of action is to text some of your friends to come down and help take the mega-donk's money.

I don't feel like you have any reason to speak up. This coming from a guy who is usually the one spewing after 20+ hours. I know my leaks and feel everyone should take me to the cleaners if I'm playing for too long. It's the only way I can learn from my mistakes. Personally, I feel like everyone at the table should try to take each others money no matter how they feel about the person. I would try stacking my mother if she was sitting next to me, and that's what I love about this game.

jetfuel, don't ever have those thoughts again.

Yea, we are all there to win money.... hard to tell someone that is giving it away to get up..

It would be hard for me to tell even a very close friend at the game that it's probably time for him to go. I don't think that is right even though IMO the frame of mind he is I could say whatever to him and it won't make a difference.

It's sort of that player mentality where you don't care what someone says to you "in the moment" but afterward when your not playing and your head is clear that you might listen to advice for the future.

A couple hours later and I'm still thinking about this. Let me expand. On one hand I can understand you're concerned about a fellow human being. That's admirable. It really is. I can't relate in this situation however. Perhaps I've been around gambling too long to feel sorry for people that make the decision of their own free will to gamble. Perhaps I'm biased because guys like him help me pay the bills the last 20 years. Also my feelings might be different if I knew someone that had a gambling " disease."

You asked so here goes. You don't know his situation. Maybe he's a millionaire. Maybe he is just in it for the thrill. Even if you did It's pretty arrogant to think you, the fun police, decided that this stranger has had enough and he should go home now. Listen Buddy haven't you had enough fun? There is a limit you know. I'm here to win but you've been plenty kind. I don't want your money. I want everyone else's. Why don't you run off and lock up a win? No please, please don't call. I have the nuts... Here these chips you gave me miss being with the rest of your chips. Will you please take this pot back? Take my chips too.. Oh what's that? You're happy to take my chips? Well that's rude. Geeze is that why we're here? Oh wait...

Confirmed.

Poker is fun again

Wow. Jetfuel, plz let this tread know next time there is an ATM at the table. Ty

Jetfuel,

I have said stuff to people in home games before when they were clearly not thinking. Granted, they were my friends and usually drunk by the end of the night.

I doubt I would say something to a stranger at a casino tho.

Grats, bro. Really happy for you.

Thanks Pillsbury! No reason to not just bring in more charities. The room still makes the same amount of money. You just have to switch charities more and buy another set of chips. Now, the 3 charity rule is going to make life so much more difficult for everyone.

Yep. Always having fun with running good. Now if I could just bottle up the rungood and sell it, I'd be rich!

20 hours in and up that kind of money, I'm drooling while trying to take chunks. The only time I have felt the urge to say something was a few months ago. New guy sits at the table and is calling big river bets with 8 high. Seemed off his rocker. After being in for 1200 in a matter of about 40 minutes, I asked the floor if he was mental or something.

Then I heard him say, "I'd rather call $40 than be bluffed out of the pot" after another J high call on the river, I just sat back and increased my stack. Even told the wife I wasn't coming to lunch as long as this guy was sitting there.

I would have a hard time taking money from someone with serious mental issues but other than that, take every edge you can.

You guys remind me of Albert Brooks and company discussing journalistic ethics in Broadcast News. Tell the guy to go home and get some rest of course.

NVD was pretty good to me yesterday, got there they had 2 cash tables running. It broke to one around tournament time, as tournament had around 60 runners and it was a $25 re buy tournament.

Only couple big hands, stayed at cash and end up in a hand with a guy who has paid off a couple of people by betting into them after they raise pre flop. So im on the button, look down at JJ, comes around to me at $2 with 5 people in, make it 22. get 1 caller. flop J45 rainbow, so he bets and i decide to just call and let him keep betting like he has been doing, he bets 25. A on the turn, he bets 40, blank on river he bets 50, All i have to worry about is set of Aces as this point so feeling good, i shove my 100 more he had like 70ish he calls shows AK.

Hour or so later, same guy has moved to right next to me so he is in small blind, I have 9 10 of clubs in BB, flop comes Q club, K club, x, guy bets 10, gets 3 callers. turn is a blank, guy bets 20, gets 3 callers, river is The J of clubs! he bets 50, i make is 120 to cover him, one guy folds, other guy in hand thinks for a couple mins and fold. guy in small bind calls with A high flush. so I left about an hour later as had to be somewhere at 10pm, so cashed out +500ish for the 4ish hours.

Weird bet sizing imo.

I like it with 5 limpers and he got the right effect: heads up.

Grats on the winning session. Villain liked leading with air/draws and worked against him when he hit.

I love Al Brooks! I can't believe I haven't seen Broadcast News yet.

I've dusted off more buy-ins in a single session than I care to admit. I don't blame dealers or players; it was all my fault.

I've tried to help a guy calm down a couple of times, but those dudes were my boys. If I don't know you, and you're playing bad, I'm not going to counsel you.

I sit at a table to take your chips. I don't check it down with my friends. If my grandmother sits at my table, she'll be check-raised if it is the right play. I won't soft play you because you're flirty, and you have trouble keeping your nipples covered by your skimpy designer shirt.

I might be a Lil flirty, but I keep my nipples covered sir!