The "small" bad beat is Quads beat by a straight flush, or straight flush beat by straight flush. It's an arbitrary split to create a larger pot.

OK .. not sure where I heard the AAAKK from then ... somewhere ..


The only daytime charity room in GR is suspending operations for the Summer due to low turnout. Hoping this isn't a trend but I've had a concern that there aren't many new/young players popping up in the poker scene. Summer is always slower but when a room is 'totally' reg infested only the strong (players or bankroll) will survive ... and they can make it tougher for the newbies to keep coming back both via losses and 'attitude'. GL

Side note. Been following mgm Detroit for a couple months now, and 2/5 and plo don't get started in till night time. Seems unlikely to have a good game going during the day. Especially in since from what I've heard about the summer being slow.

Detroit people with money to play bigger stakes seem to only come out at night?

Is there a day time poker scene during the busy time of the year?

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If you have the money to play a higher stake, you usually need to *do* something to get it. Jobs prevent people from playing at 3pm on a Tuesday.

Summer always sucks for indoor activities. There's such a short window of really nice weather that most people try to take advantage of it. My hockey leagues basically run out of players during the summer as people would rather be up north or on a lake.

Added to that the high BBJ at MCC is drawing a lot of players. A good number of the guys that play in my local home/charity games are grinding it out down there.

Maybe in poor Detroit. I've mainly played day time poker and seen bigger games running in the morning in Florida, vegas and California than at night sometimes.

Detroit can't even sustain a reg 2/5 game on a Tuesday?? Every major poker room in America has at least two 2/5 tables going during the day.

Plenty of Americans run small business, work overnight, work weird hours, self employed, retired businessman with nothing but time. Life isn't just 9/5.

Detroit poker is underachieving at the 2/5 and higher imo. Y'all are a major city with no real major Michigan poker room with 20 table going hourly. Mcc refuses to get a bravo so must people looking from the outside can't tell if there is major room in Detroit

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Vegas is a vacation destination, work doesn't apply.

Florida is a retirement community and a vacation destination in large part. So again, work constraints apply less. Although not everyone in FL falls into those two categories.

California ... who knows. There's a lot more money in general out there and ****ed up game structures, so maybe you'll have more $2/5+ players.


Detroit can and does sustain a $2/5 during the week. It's at MCC, not MGM. That runs pretty much 24/7 in some fashion.

Problem is that the people that run MCC have their heads jammed so far up their asses that they can't see any of the problems with their room. They refuse to get a Bravo system, so players can't see the waitlists, and no-one from out of town can find them unless they knew ahead of time that there was a room with poker there. Can't see the BBJ without going to the MCC site either.

Also, what defines "major power room"? Is it "room that has 2 $2/5's 24/7?" or is it volume based? Because the Taj used to have very little $2/5 during the day mid-week, but was still a 'major' room.

You can work weird hours, but then anything *else* you need to do in life happens during the day, errands, car repairs, banking, bull****, etc. Then there's the feedback loop of going to a day game, having it be a little light, and not going back, so when the next guy tries to go there's fewer players and he's less likely to come back.

Did you move here yet and start playing? I don't particularly like defending Detroit because there's a lot of ways this place is weird that I hate, but if you're not here and only looking in from afar you have no goddamn clue if we're "underachieving" or not.


We have more poker rooms and more tables in the metro area than most other cities do. We're just spread between 3-4 casinos and about 2 dozen charity rooms.

You would have a point if Winstar in middle of nowhere in Oklahoma has at least 2/5 running a few tables during the day.

So, does Black Hawk Colorado, Tampa bay, Jacksonville, Mgm in dc area, Parx in Philadelphia, Maryland live, Foxwoods in CT. Look up the name of the towns most major casinos operate.

I am glad you're checking things out and will probably come to the same conclusion I gave you.

There are 2/5 games here all week, but they're at motor city casino not MGM. Give the poker room, 313-237-6735 a call during the day and ask how many 2/5 games are running or whatever you want to know. Fair warning, it won't give you a really good idea of what it's "normally" like because it's jam packed with the bad beat at half a million. Also expect a lot of busy signals when you call.

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All you have to do is click on bravo. Y'all only casino not on there is MCC, and the things you said about MCC make my point.

2/5 is really considered low stakes. So, mostly every big casino(75%) has 2 games at least 2/5 or bigger going before 5pm.

Detroit is underachieving, because the best casino y'all have can't even get there stuff together to show people there is a reason to stop in Detroit. I'm pretty sure more midwest people would pick Detroit to play poker at if they knew MCC had bigger games going.

Look at bravo now. It looks sad. for most part it looks like all Detroit has 4-6 1/2 games going in the whole city.

I can name 40 casinos outside of Vegas, Florida and California on bravo that are showing more action than the whole Det.

Huh? Sentence much? Does it, or doesn't it?

Right now Parx has 4 $2/5 games.

MGM Detroit has 1, MCC has 20 people on the list for $2/5, which typically means at least 4 tables. Seems pretty comparable to me.

DC has one casino in a large metro area. Tampa has one room. Foxwoods only has the dead Mohegan Sun to split traffic with.

We have 3 casinos + satellite rooms. Most of which don't show up on Bravo. Then the fractured nature of having players split all over the place makes it harder to get a critical mass of "$2/5" players together during the day in the same spot (other than the aforementioned MCC). Even if you did, there's the charity chip limit issue that makes it hard to run one there. So instead you get players with $2/5 money sitting in their local charity room games, drinking (because hey, I'm 5 mins from home), and punting off $2/5 money into a $1/2 game.

There's plenty of good poker around here. But yes, it does get slower in general when it's nice out like it is now.

I already knew for most part Detroit poker scene was lacking. Why the last two times I moved, Detroit didn't even get a glance, because there poker rooms are clearly not being exposed properly. MCC...

I am still going to move to Detroit with a poker buddy or two. Det has enough, but I think Detroit poker scene could be better established.

Why in the holy **** are you *typing* "Y'all"? It's a verbal abbreviation from lazy people in the south that requires more effort to type than just "your".

If your only metric is "Bravo shows X", fine, you're not going to see all the games in Detroit. And there's no possible way to get the charity tables on a Bravo-like system.

But there are still just as many tables in action here as there are in most of those other cities with 1 casino.

You have some points ( that I was already aware of) but a lot of it is excuses. First you say its because people that can play higher stakes work during the day. I clearly shut that down. To clear up my winstar sentence lol

Winstar is in Thackerville, OK... They still get 2/5 going daily, 365.

You can change the narrative all you want. Even for 1/2 Detroit casinos are way behind. Due to charity rooms. Due to a lot of reasons.

I'm just really disappointed in MCC lack of a bravo.

From Texas, buddy. lol

Anyway. Once again, point made and understood. Still is a silly flaw on MCC part that makes the whole Det look bad.

Most poker players treat bravo like the bible for places to find action.

You didn't shut down the argument that there's more money ready to play nights and weekends at all. Every poker player knows that there's more traffic at those times. With it is also the guys with the most money to spend.

Sure, *some* people with loads of money are available to play at 2pm on a Tuesday, but a lot aren't. And when the guy with deep pockets does how up then, the pool of players (with *any* depth pockets) is going to be smaller than if he showed up at a busy time and played.

I know where Winstar is. It's 60 miles away from the nearest casino, and about an hourish north of Dallas/Ft Worth, which is a large metro area with no casinos or other legal gambling. Of *course* it's going to have traffic. It's the only option around for miles.

The "narrative" has always been the same. There are a lot of players and games in Detroit, but they're spread out over a much larger area with lower population density than in other cities. That means that no one room is going to have 20 tables at once. Ever.

It also means that it's harder to get larger games going. If 1-2 out of every 10 players that walk into a room wants to play $2/5+, you can get a game with 40-50 players. But if your room only holds 20-30 (because there's another one 5 mins away), you're not getting a $2/5 game.


But as I've said before, the charity $1/2 games are some of the best $1/2 games in the country. By far. Lots of drunken insanity, deep stacks going in light, basically the worst players you'll ever encounter. Partially also because the guys with deep pockets that might play $2/5+ in a "major" room are there punting money instead.


Most poker players are idiots. We used to be able to find action before Bravo.

I do agree that MCC should be on Bravo. But they've got the typical Detroit attitude about changing anything.

I won't claim that Detroit has the best poker economy in the country or anything like that. But it's a hell of a lot better than you would think from just the Bravo page.

Perception a lot of times is reality. People outside of Detroit think the place is a dump. It doesn't help when the biggest poker room in town doesn't get modern. Michigan doesn't even have a major tournament. Tell me why wpt and wsop don't stop in Detroit? Because people outside of Detroit don't think there is a poker community worth visiting.

Like it or not bravo plays a major part in poker action. Today's era of going social with apps like bravo and twitter are lost in Detroit. I was looking for twitter page for Detroit poker rooms. I found none. What I like about a lot of vegas and California casinos they use Twitter,bravo and some like stones, live at the bike casino use YouTube.

Detroit is good enough like I said, but why keep defending the poker scene so hard when it's clear things aren't great?

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How has this gone on for so long? First you want to move here to play poker now you're naming all kinds of cities with more action than Detroit. Why not just move to one of the other cities you named?


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I am still going to move to Detroit. Detroit isn't represented right. They do have action. It's not well represented.

I feel like in since I'm moving to Detroit, I'm be honest with the situation, so my expectations won't be high. I know what I am getting into. To be honest. If Detroit wasn't so close to other mid west poker rooms I probably wouldn't move to Detroit. I can't depend on one room with bigger games than 2/5..

+1

It started because I hear someone say a room closed due to low turnout for daytime games.

All my point was Detroit needs help. Every week I come in here I hear something bad about the poker scene. It was robbery talk 3 weeks ago.

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I think most major cities need some kind of help. I've lived here my whole life and seen it all. I remember army helicopters landing in a golf course across the street from my house during the riots of 67. I grew up with the YBI. I remember when their was no poker and no life in downtown Detroit after 5:00 P.M. Yeah the neighborhoods are bad and I wouldn't move back ( left the city for the suburbs in 95 ). Downtown is coming back with major cash infusion. Poker scene is good, but maybe not the place for a pro to try to make a living and support a family or whatever.

According to PokerAtlas there are 143 poker tables within 20 miles of where I stand. Not certain of the accuracy, but sure the hell doesn't sound like a bad scene to me.

GO BLUE !!!

Jesus ****ing Christ.

At first I thought "****, I don't want to sound like a local, but my first inclination to respond to this is: **** you, Detroit vs. Everybody". And then I remembered that I'm from Jersey and the appropriate response is:


You found a forum and asked us about the poker scene in Detroit. We told you it was better than what Bravo showed. Now you're claiming that Bravo is everything.

I'm not defending the ****heads running MCC. But you're claiming that our games are garbage here, simply because they're not showing up on Bravo or twitter. That's false. There are good games here. If you don't want to believe that, whatever.


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