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10-25-2011 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Atarirob
Yes antes please!!!! Remember you don't have to run a tournament that starts off with 50,000 chips to be deep stack. I've played 3000-5000 chip live events that had more play 4 hrs into it then some of these ******ed "omg you start off with 100,000 chips!" I haven't played a charity tournament since Nov '10 and wouldn't consider it til some changes were made.

Side note, and im sure ill get blasted for it, especially since WSOP harmond did so well. Do you think were going to see a sharp decline in poker in Michigan over the next year? You got quite a few people who have been playing these tournaments week in week out paying 25-35 percent rake? Most of these are always chopped up or give some insane drop down so people don't bubble. Your top rear of players are making very little money, your slightly break even players are bleeding money after 2-3 years of this, and your fish are going to fish no matter what. With online poker most likely dead for the next 2 years, and no poker shows besides WSOP, I really don't see any large growth in players.

Little growth, high rake, bad pay off structure, and high variance structures (avg stack at final tables 5bb?) On paper it seems like the pond is being overfished. Odds are im wrong, but I would be curious to see if a place like snookers still has 80-100 person fields a year from now, especially in these $100+ weekly events
I think this is already happening right now. Snookers seemed to decline alot since Black Friday anyways. Last Sunday there where only 59 people to play the $100 tournament.

It would be pretty sweet if we all could meet up on the opening day of Cadas. I always wondered who Atari Rob is and Who Screaming Asian is. as well as others
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10-25-2011 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hutch5
I used to play there alot but I took that out of my rotation, I actually like going to all the charity rooms, get my grind on for like 1-3 months then stop going to the same ones so people won't know me or how I play. Wait a few weeks/months then go back. Its good to not be a regular because people will be able to clock your play or ask a friend how they play ect..

But if on thursday I might head up there after my night class, is the game still 300 deep buy in, and a ton of action?
Yeah game is 50-300 buy-in. Just started playing again last week, game was pretty good as far as I could tell, a few 500+ stacks, lots of rebuying, lots of talking at tables, etc. They've had two tables running the nights I've played.

When I last played there during the summer of 2010 I thought the games were good but a little tougher than at the casinos. Not sure about now.

curious, what do you mean by clocking your play?
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10-25-2011 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by the village idiot1
I think this is already happening right now. Snookers seemed to decline alot since Black Friday anyways. Last Sunday there where only 59 people to play the $100 tournament.

It would be pretty sweet if we all could meet up on the opening day of Cadas. I always wondered who Atari Rob is and Who Screaming Asian is. as well as others
+1
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10-25-2011 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PuraVida96
Yeah game is 50-300 buy-in. Just started playing again last week, game was pretty good as far as I could tell, a few 500+ stacks, lots of rebuying, lots of talking at tables, etc. They've had two tables running the nights I've played.

When I last played there during the summer of 2010 I thought the games were good but a little tougher than at the casinos. Not sure about now.

curious, what do you mean by clocking your play?

People learning your tenancies after many sessions, why I move around after I feel people are starting to catch how tight I actually am lol.
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10-25-2011 , 12:43 PM
LOL, I don't think I've played a hand of holdem since July. suiteddeuces got me hooked on PLO8 and heck even LO8 at greektown. I found there to be a huge gap between good O8 players and bad ones, which made it very low variance. Last August I started having friends coming up to me saying that I've been ignoring them, which is true since Black Friday I would grind during the afternoon and go out at night. After a few months of being social again I totally miss poker so I hope to get my grind back on, especially since I've drank away my bankroll the past two months. Hoping we could get a 1-3 PLO8 gaming at Cadas Room on the weekends. Im usually hanging out at the brewery down the road or every so often bringing down the house at Wellington with my rendition of "ride captain ride" by the blues image
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10-25-2011 , 12:54 PM
Here is a web page I found about the announcement of Cada's room opening and there is also a Facebook link but since I don't have Facebook I can't check it out.
http://www.rounderspokerroom.com/default.asp
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10-25-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Atarirob
Hoping we could get a 1-3 PLO8 gaming at Cadas Room on the weekends.
Booked
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10-25-2011 , 01:54 PM
Apparently I need to learn plo8. Judging by this thread, it seems like there is tons of dead money.
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10-25-2011 , 02:07 PM
@banana its the low and people sticking in pot size bets with just an 7 hi low and no redraw or going to the felt with AA high, the pampa game on Wednesday converted me.

@Jose nice find, hmmm the guys who ran the room at fountainview are running this. Well I will say that the old fountainview room looked nice at least. Never had an issue with the floor there, I think they do play around town. But that room was always dead, and I really don't hold much hope for the tournaments being any better then snookers

I heard a rumor that no one told the poker room that fountain view was closing. So they went to open up the poker room like any normal day and someone locked the whole building without telling anyone Anywho they seemed ok guys and ran things alright. At least they have a name to draw in business, I wish them luck.

Last edited by Atarirob; 10-25-2011 at 02:26 PM.
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10-25-2011 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hutch5
People learning your tenancies after many sessions, why I move around after I feel people are starting to catch how tight I actually am lol.
Ah, that's what I figured but hadn't head that terminology before.

If you decide to go up to the heidelberg thursday send me a pm, i'll prolly be heading there around 1030.
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10-25-2011 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose313
This is the key, exactly what Detroit area Poker is missing...Great structure!
I am certain Cada's room will be a huge success if they bring new tournaments (bounty, shootout, HU) with great structure to our area.
I suggest trying something different...maybe a weekly Sunday $150 Bounty tournament. With single table satellites (10-man w/2winners) all weekend. Something different to attract customers.
I also suggest a monthly tournament with a larger buy in (maybe $300) with single table satellites running for that also.
Just as long as Cada's room offers new tournaments and great structures, they will lock down Detroit area Poker.
Guys, you still have to remember that this is a charity poker room and still must follow the Michigan Gaming rules for millionaire party rooms. Bounty tournaments have not been allowed from the beginning and were re-clarified over a year ago with a bunch of other rule changes that they are not allowed.

As much as you like your turbo tourneys, it will be up to the room if they want to run them because they take up dollars towards the $15,000 max chip limit and they do not bring in much profit.

A room can make money on 3 nice cash games running at least 6-8 hrs. The bigger the cash game, the quicker the chips go, and if the BIG game only runs 5 hrs. because the chips are gone, it only made 5 hrs. worth of rake. I have made more money for charity's running 4 tables of $100 max. than i ever did running the big game.

Want you want is a room run as professional as possible, with consistent rulings and a floor that controls the room, the dealers and the players.

just my 2 cents
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10-25-2011 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by the village idiot1
I think this is already happening right now. Snookers seemed to decline alot since Black Friday anyways. Last Sunday there where only 59 people to play the $100 tournament.

It would be pretty sweet if we all could meet up on the opening day of Cadas. I always wondered who Atari Rob is and Who Screaming Asian is. as well as others
I haven't noticed a decline, I played the $50 last Friday I believe the field was >120.

And fwiw I once met screamin asian, he looks like the FTP ninja avatar.
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10-25-2011 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pillsbarry
Guys, you still have to remember that this is a charity poker room and still must follow the Michigan Gaming rules for millionaire party rooms. Bounty tournaments have not been allowed from the beginning and were re-clarified over a year ago with a bunch of other rule changes that they are not allowed.

As much as you like your turbo tourneys, it will be up to the room if they want to run them because they take up dollars towards the $15,000 max chip limit and they do not bring in much profit.

A room can make money on 3 nice cash games running at least 6-8 hrs. The bigger the cash game, the quicker the chips go, and if the BIG game only runs 5 hrs. because the chips are gone, it only made 5 hrs. worth of rake. I have made more money for charity's running 4 tables of $100 max. than i ever did running the big game.

Want you want is a room run as professional as possible, with consistent rulings and a floor that controls the room, the dealers and the players.

just my 2 cents
From what i've seen tourneys are a cash cow, people that bust tend to jump on the cash game tables to try to recover their entry fee.
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10-25-2011 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Atarirob

I heard a rumor that no one told the poker room that fountain view was closing. So they went to open up the poker room like any normal day and someone locked the whole building without telling anyone Anywho they seemed ok guys and ran things alright. At least they have a name to draw in business, I wish them luck.
I talked to one of the guys who said he used to run Rounders. I think this is the same people right? he said that the Land lord didn't pay the rent. So the bank forclosed on the property and they where the ones who locked the door. He said he would of never closed it in the first place as he was making money.

of course i am sure i butchered the story up some how.
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10-25-2011 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by silviodante1
I haven't noticed a decline, I played the $50 last Friday I believe the field was >120.

And fwiw I once met screamin asian, he looks like the FTP ninja avatar.
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10-25-2011 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by silviodante1
Antes in the tourneys please!
+1 to that!
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10-25-2011 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Caveman921
+1 to that!
Meh i could live with out antes. it just makes it so you have to open up your range with a bunch of calling stations. while the better player have to fight the luck boxes
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10-25-2011 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Atarirob
LOL, I don't think I've played a hand of holdem since July.
Welcome back, bro. Glad to hear from you again!
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10-25-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pillsbarry
Guys, you still have to remember that this is a charity poker room and still must follow the Michigan Gaming rules for millionaire party rooms. Bounty tournaments have not been allowed from the beginning and were re-clarified over a year ago with a bunch of other rule changes that they are not allowed.

As much as you like your turbo tourneys, it will be up to the room if they want to run them because they take up dollars towards the $15,000 max chip limit and they do not bring in much profit.

A room can make money on 3 nice cash games running at least 6-8 hrs. The bigger the cash game, the quicker the chips go, and if the BIG game only runs 5 hrs. because the chips are gone, it only made 5 hrs. worth of rake. I have made more money for charity's running 4 tables of $100 max. than i ever did running the big game.

Want you want is a room run as professional as possible, with consistent rulings and a floor that controls the room, the dealers and the players.

just my 2 cents

+1 solid post, cash games are the money cows. They'd love to be able to fill the room with 1-2 and maybe a RxR 2-5 game. Charity rooms just can't run anything higher then 2-5 without selling the max chips.

What you said at the bottom is all they really need to do. Be professional and have consistent rulings and a room where the floor can control the dealers and players. I only went to Rounders maybe three or four times, but I never ran into an issue with the floor or noticed anything odd.

I got an email from a friend that said they already have a charity lined up for Thursday.
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10-25-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Omaha8A2
Welcome back, bro. Glad to hear from you again!
And no, it's not just because of the avatar. Okay, maybe a little.
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10-25-2011 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Omaha8A2
Welcome back, bro. Glad to hear from you again!
Thanks, I like how this thread has evolved. Real glad some of you decided to hit up the WSOP event in Indiana. Besides the HPT, the Michigan tournament scene is pretty abysmal, which is sad because there is a huge player base.

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Originally Posted by Omaha8A2
And no, it's not just because of the avatar.
I directed some friends to this thread from Facebook, sure enough one of the comments

"Love the picture, your hot"
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10-25-2011 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by the village idiot1
Meh i could live with out antes. it just makes it so you have to open up your range with a bunch of calling stations. while the better player have to fight the luck boxes
Charity Room players don't know how to adjust to antes. Still need the 'good structure' part.
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10-25-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Caveman921
Charity Room players don't know how to adjust to antes. Still need the 'good structure' part.
I only ask for antes cause it tilts me when someone (usually an old nit) get amazingly lucky to build a huge 50bb stack early on and sits on it til the blinds get to 5k/10k, if they are gonna sit around and wait for monsters, they should pay for it.
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10-25-2011 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by silviodante1
Antes in the tourneys please!
As much as I think it would make a better tournament, it would be a painful experience for both the dealers and players. Most of the players have no clue about an ante, and half of the dealers are bound to screw it up.
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10-25-2011 , 10:00 PM
I agree. Antes only work online. The delay will dive you nuts.
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