So, the 1-2 game, was a great game. 8 players in preflop for $10. Flop comes 8-7-3 rainbow. I flop a set of 8's. I check from the small blind and it checks 4 times to the original raiser who makes it 50. The button calls 50 and I make it 150 when it gets to me (we can talk strategy of this another time) and I get two callers so it's 3 ways to the turn (530 in pot). Turn is a 2 that doesn't bring any flush draws, completely rainbow board. I lead out for 200. Original Raiser calls my 200, and before the button can act, the dealer exposes the river (a jack). The floor is called over and we know the obvious ruling, right? That card gets shuffled back, action is on the button to call 200, raise, or fold.

INSTEAD, the floor comes over and asked the button what he was planning to do. Tells the button if he calls or raises, that card will get shuffled back and if he folds that card will stand. I immediately complain, but mostly just to say that there's no way that's a correct ruling (I've played at MGM a ton, know this floor very well and he knows me and I'm not one to cause trouble) and the Original Raiser tells everyone he's ok with the ruling and seems rather excited when the button openly says, "It's ok, I'm folding now because that's the card I need and I know I won't get it again if it's shuffled back in (he has 9-10 suited)." The card exposed early makes the OR a set of jacks. When the button folds the floor says the action is on me for the river. I check, the original raiser puts in his last $75 and I consider folding because of how excited he was about the river. That being said, I wanted to see his hand, so I call the $75.

So...in the end, if the dealer does everything right, I lose the hand and I'm ok with that as the final board should be 8-7-3-2-J. The guy with 9-10 scoops the pot. But, in this case, he folds because he doesn't think the jack will come back (I'd argue he should have called anyways with 8 outs, based upon the money, but that's another story). Now, who knows what the new river card would have been after that jack gets shuffled back. Maybe it's a jack again. Maybe it's a 2. Maybe it's a 6 and 9-10 should have called and won the pot. In the end, I'm not as worried about the results of the hand, I'm worried that the ruling is awful. If I had lost the hand the right way, I wouldn't have complained at all. To me, this is one of the most basic rules in poker. If this ruling isn't handled right, why should I believe any other ruling will be handled well?

The PLO game my memory of the hand up until the river isn't as strong as the hold 'em hand. I know I flopped a wrap with the nut flush draw, something like A796 in my hand on a 853. Basically, I'm never folding my hand on the flop or the turn, unless the board pairs.

4 ways preflop for a small raise ($15ish). Small blind leads out, gets two callers and I raise the pot. Small blind just calls as does one other player. Q on the turn so the board is 853Q. Small blind leads into me for about half the pot. MP player folds and I decide just to call instead of raising because I think he has a big hand (possibly a set of Queens on the turn). River is the 4. I make the nut straight. The small blinds puts his stack of green chips (about 350, leaving himself 5 black behind) across the betting line but doesn't say anything (he's been pretty verbal with his action all day but didn't say anything here). Dealer points to me like it's my action. I say raise and put out about $900 thinking we might be chopping or he'll put the rest of his chips in bad. Dealer looks at him and says, "All in to call" and he immediately asks "How can he bet that much, there's only 500 in the pot!" The dealer says, "No, you bet 450 and he's raising you." He immediately flips out, pulls back his chips, and says "I didn't bet, just was playing with my chips and set them there while deciding what to do."

Same floor from the hold 'em ruling comes over as the dealer is calling him immediately. He comes over and gets the story from the dealer. Dealer tells him what everyone at the table seems to agree on except the villain. Villain, who is a regular at MGM and seems buddy-buddy with the floor guy, then tells his side of the story that he didn't think he was betting and didn't realize the line was a hard commit line. Of course, he's been playing there for years, including when the room was upstairs, he knows the rules. The floor rules his bet isn't binding and it's on him to check or bet and that if he checks I'm stuck with a pot sized bet (as the money I've put across the line is more than enough to cover a pot sized bet). The whole table reacts that the ruling isn't right. The villain absolutely put the money out as a bet and is now trying to back out since I raised.

The villain now folds to my bet, showing the table his AQQ2 (he turned a set of queens with queen high hearts and a gutter to the wheel and he rivered the wheel). He's showing everyone what a big fold he's making when obviously he knows he's beat if I'm putting my whole stack in on that river card.

Again, an awful ruling from the same floor. After this, I rack up, telling him I'll never be back as this has happened way too many times in this room (I've seen others besides it happening to me). He tries to get me to calm down and tells me he thinks it was the right ruling. I tell him that's fine and I respect his ruling, but I won't be back.

Oh..and did I mention the fact that two weeks later MGM promoted this guy to be their poker room manager??

Yeah that's terrible. I'm with u in that I don't care if I lost as long as ruling is correct.

Yeah, if I lose I lose..in this case it's a 2 outer and I'll take my chances against his hand every time with my hand. It's just the way the ruling went down. The floor basically left it up to the players to decide how an early exposed river card would be handled. You can't have wishy-washy rulings...it needs to be the same no matter what

The $120/240 Sundays can fluctuate but I don't think they ever get below 80 and I would generally put the over/under at 125 entries for a $240. The $240 does offer 1 re-entry. That being said, it is Summer ... But that being said, The WSOP ME will be going on that day and, like the Masters in golf, could inspire some players to go play while they figure out their PokerGo app! GL

PS .. THAT being said, their 2nd quarter '$5K Tournament of Champions' freeroll is that Saturday and it could affect a Sunday turnout. Pretty sure the $240 is 30 minute levels ... $120 is 20 minutes levels ... $400 is 40 minute levels.

I've seen a portion of this ruling before, but The Floor certainly didn't fully explain to the table what was going to happen 'either way' before he allowed the player to answer the question about the action he should've been facing.

1) It's the wrong ruling, we all know that here ...
2) The Floor should've limited his 'conversation' to the action question ... and then explained to the dealer how to carry on from there.

3) A Floor should never allow a player to 'make a decision' that is basically the basis for a ruling. GL

Ugh. That's an awful ruling. I've had a couple of bad ones in the new room too. Which is really odd because for the rulings I saw in the old room upstairs were pretty consistent and correct.

I agree about the glass wall, and I miss having a semi-private bathroom connected to the room. While it does get a little smokey, it doesn't seem as bad as MCC to my nose.

So it's weird. I don't notice the smoke while I'm playing at MCC, but I definitely smell like it when I leave (even if all I did was walk from the car to the poker room and back to the car). At MGM, I feel like I notice it more while I'm playing (especially if I end up on the one table right by the edge of the room), but I don't think my clothes smell as bad when I leave. No real way to explain that, but it's something I noticed. When I'm farther back in the room (which doesn't happen much because I don't play much at night), I don't notice the smoke nearly as much.

Also, I think they have some new people working poker that didn't work upstairs (hence the difference in rulings). The bathroom problem might change if they actually do what they're talking about. There's plans to knock down the wall to the left of the cage and push the room out back toward where they old night club used to be. Basically they want to put bathrooms in there and then add 5-10 more tables in the old nightclub. It would separate the poker room into two parts with bathrooms between the two rooms, but I'll believe it when I see it. The talk of moving the room downstairs happened for almost 3 years before it ever actually happened, so who knows how long it'll take for them to add more tables and bathrooms and such.

I haven't been playing the last month as I was out of town but I heard they already started the expansion at MGM is it true?

Thanks for the info on this. I had no idea that the tournaments got that big at Firekeepers I'll definitely be tempted to make the trip over there. I've played a few tournaments up at Soaring Eagle the past year or so with some success (3 straight cashes actually but nothing higher than 5th, and also the only three times i've played poker in the past year). I thought their structure and turnout was pretty good for their $180 monthly and $280 quarterly, but it sounds like nothing compared to Firekeepers. I was actually thinking about playing the monthly $180 tournament at Soaring Eagle that Saturday followed by the $400 at Firekeepers the next day. But I'll just be getting back from an out of the country trip so not sure I'll be up for more traveling.

It's finished. I was told they'll be adding glass so it should be rather quiet eventually.

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Not sure if you were going back and forth each day, but FK has a nice $125 Bounty ($25) on Saturday nights at 630 (15K, 20 min levels). You could play that and reg for Sunday and then not worry about much on Sunday except taking your seat, even late. Sold seats do get blinded off, but even if you're an hour late you still have plenty of BB to play and no wait. If you can tolerate a 'marginal' hotel stay you can call the Howard's motel down the road and stay very cheap.

I may appear to be a FK slappy, but I'm just telling you what I know (and would want others to 'go through'). We all know what we hear about SE and other rooms but there's nothing like first hand knowledge. GL

It's finished. I was told they'll be adding glass so it should be rather quiet eventually.

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Thanks for the info on this. I might consider that. I know SE doesn't really have the best reputation amongst this thread, but I think it always held a special place in my heart because it's the first place I played poker at back when I was 18 (13 years ago) and have spent a lot of time up there in college playing those 6-12 limit games. Damn I miss limit Hold em above 3/6 by the way, but think I'm the only one. Well unless I drive all the way to Hammond. No thanks.

I was in a charity room where I met a young woman who was about to deal for the first time. She wound up being my first dealer that night.

She asked if I had any advice and I told her to be very careful about letting the players "help" her. She had to be in charge.

She did quite well, much better than I expected from a rookie.

Ok cool, thanks. I'll be there Friday this week, will see what's up.

Grats!

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Twoblack9s out of retirement... wut?!? Hope you're well, man. MGM is nice. Like people said, not great but a lot more action. Played 2/5 there this weekend. Was fun.

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You're definitely not the only one. Was in Vegas for a week this month and played some 20/40 and 40/80 at Bellagio and completely forgot how much I love playing limit holdem.

The only decent limit game around here is the 15/30 game at Motorcity a couple times a week and that's so hard to get into because they open the game every Tuesday with the same 10 guys and it's often hours later before someone leaves. It's not even a great game for limit poker, but it's something if you want to play limit. If there was even a consistent 10/20 limit games, I'd probably play that over 1/2 NL any day. You just can't get enough players for it because everyone fell in love with NL during the poker boom.

For sure would play 10/20 Limit over a 1/2 NL game. It seems like it held on for a few years after 2003 but by i about 2008 was just completely dead. How was the 40/80 game at bellagio? I would love to play that but feel like it is in ass kicking in the making for me. Who really plays limit hold em anymore unless you are reg like you mentioned. I always felt the same about 30/60 7 card stud games at Belllagio. I want to sit down in a sick way way just to be completely outclassed.

It was a good game. It helped that it was the same week as the $1500 Limit Hold Em WSOP event and it seemed like there were plenty of out of town people playing Limit (not the daily Limit grinders that you'd find at Bellagio in September or something). They had multiple tables of 20/40, 40/80, and 80/160 every day. I was definitely an outsider because I play way less limit hold em now, but it was still a good game.

No.. you are not.the only one. I miss limit as well. So much better then NL

10/20 Limit was going at 'Shoe last night .. with a list .. during Big Brother to boot (must be some serious players!).

Vegas all next week (T-Island with wife, not sure how much poker will be had, some for sure.) .. Anyone want a red/black bet? You can pay me when I see you again .. unless I need to pay you. GL

Will be in Vegas next week for poker and hope to hit Doug Polk's party.