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Old 02-26-2013, 07:38 PM   #26
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Went up two weekends ago for a late night session. Was playing 1/2 when my riding buddy came over to the table for a minute. I decided to take a smoke break with him and got up from the table an headed to the bathroom first. On my way out I realized I left my jacket and cigarettes at my seat. Walked back and the dealer saw me so he delt me in. I looked down at two red Aces and got a 3 bet then a 4 bet all in behind my EP raise. The 3 better folded to my all in and my aces held up... EZ game.

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Old 02-26-2013, 09:34 PM   #27
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LMAO. Dude you were aces full of sevens. The only hand that beats you is if he had the case 7...very unlikely since he was the aggressor post-flop on a board of 2 aces. What were YOU thinking!! (NOTE: I just saw the ">" nevermind....please disregard what I just said).

And for the record. With AA your post-flop bet of $20 is only 50-70% of the pot($32). Your next bet of $60 is only 67% of the pot ($92). Both weak bets in relative terms. You should have bet at least $40 post-flop and shoved it all on the turn.
Exactly, 40 is a bit small holding AA with $ 32 in the pot. I'll make it 55 to show strength after the flop and jam it all in as u said on the turn. If I got re-raised after the flop bet then I get it all in. Sometime these guys they hold 1 top pair such as Q or K after the flop and re-raised u so u gotta make them pay holding AA.

last Sat, I held AK and bet 100 after the flop heads up and only 60 in the pot, I was re-raised to 225 by A9 and we both paired A so I made it to $500 and he called, turn and river were blanks and I took down the big pot with the K kicker. It's amazing how many donks called a 30 preflop raise with low kicker and went broke.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:26 PM   #28
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LMAO. Dude you were aces full of sevens. The only hand that beats you is if he had the case 7...very unlikely since he was the aggressor post-flop on a board of 2 aces. What were YOU thinking!! (NOTE: I just saw the ">" nevermind....please disregard what I just said).

And for the record. With AA your post-flop bet of $20 is only 50-70% of the pot($32). Your next bet of $60 is only 67% of the pot ($92). Both weak bets in relative terms. You should have bet at least $40 post-flop and shoved it all on the turn.
Yeah for the record those numbers are approximate, this was about a week and a half ago and my hand recollection is bad to begin with. But point taken, relatively strong hands require a serious show of strength in order to chase out drawing hands. I'll be back Thursday
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:42 AM   #29
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Played Last Night Table 11 seat 6. Great table, with a nice bunch of players.
To the guy in the 7 seat late, I called, because I was betting the whole way, and I had you on the flush draw the whole time, and it was 130 more to call, and I figured you were Bluffing when the Flush didn't hit.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:17 PM   #30
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2/5 there is a difference between 1/2 and 2/5 bets. What you are indicating is in tune to the 2/5 game - betting $55 into a $32 Pot.

I think as Hunt said a bet close to or little more than Pot Size is usually good. Ofcouse we all know how CT plays, sometimes the size of the bets are not relevant to the player calling them (since J3 guy knew the Jack was coming on the river there is no discouraging him).

It is nice to see session recaps, makes this thread more interesting. I am looking forward to my next session - mostly coming Tuesday.

Bortron5000, go get' em tiger!

Jammit, are you going to post the hand details or do we need to ask the imaginary Seat 7.

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Old 02-27-2013, 02:51 PM   #31
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Jammit, are you going to post the hand details or do we need to ask the imaginary Seat 7.

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Sorry I am one of those guys that only remembers the bad beat hands I get. LOL
Anyway, as far as I can recall, 2/5 table, I get AQ Off, I Preflop raise to 18, get 4 callers, flop comes ??? 2 clubs, I bet 60, guy calls, everyone else folds, turn is a blank, I bet 100, guy calls, River is a blank, Guy pushes all in for 130, I have him on the flush draw the whole was, so I call the 130 with AQ off, hoping he didn't pair the board chasing the flush, He says he missed, and that I win, I turn over my AQ Off, and he turns over AJ Clubs, and he missed 12 or so outs, and I took the 600+ Pot with A High Q Kicker. Bad call, but I figured he missed his draw, and was trying to bluff me. Bad call on my part.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:42 PM   #32
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GolfPro,
Sorry I am one of those guys that only remembers the bad beat hands I get. LOL
Anyway, as far as I can recall, 2/5 table, I get AQ Off, I Preflop raise to 18, get 4 callers, flop comes ??? 2 clubs, I bet 60, guy calls, everyone else folds, turn is a blank, I bet 100, guy calls, River is a blank, Guy pushes all in for 130, I have him on the flush draw the whole was, so I call the 130 with AQ off, hoping he didn't pair the board chasing the flush, He says he missed, and that I win, I turn over my AQ Off, and he turns over AJ Clubs, and he missed 12 or so outs, and I took the 600+ Pot with A High Q Kicker. Bad call, but I figured he missed his draw, and was trying to bluff me. Bad call on my part.
I think is a good call and I have done it with AK. You have to go with your intuition sometime. I was in a similar situation two weeks ago playing 2/5. Raised with AK offsuit to 30 and the dude with Jc9c called and everyone else folded so we go heads-up. Flop Qc 10h 4h, I fired 75 and he called, turn was 10c and I checked he also checked. River was Qd and I checked again and he fired 165 and I said man I think u missed the flush and I called. He turned over Jc9c and I took down the pot. This is an easy call and also predictable because when they missed the draw, they tend to bet big on the river to take down the pot.

He made the big mistake for not re-raising after the flop with open ended. I'd have made it to 250 after the flop with open ended.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:52 PM   #33
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2/5 there is a difference between 1/2 and 2/5 bets. What you are indicating is in tune to the 2/5 game - betting $55 into a $32 Pot.

I think as Hunt said a bet close to or little more than Pot Size is usually good. Ofcouse we all know how CT plays, sometimes the size of the bets are not relevant to the player calling them (since J3 guy knew the Jack was coming on the river there is no discouraging him).

It is nice to see session recaps, makes this thread more interesting. I am looking forward to my next session - mostly coming Tuesday.

Bortron5000, go get' em tiger!

Jammit, are you going to post the hand details or do we need to ask the imaginary Seat 7.

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Bravo is working again that's good because I called them again today so they must got my message. BTW, I'll be up this coming Sat. around 1 PM playing 2/5 downstairs as usual so PM me if you want to meet up or come join my table.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:33 AM   #34
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I think is a good call and I have done it with AK. You have to go with your intuition sometime. I was in a similar situation two weeks ago playing 2/5. Raised with AK offsuit to 30 and the dude with Jc9c called and everyone else folded so we go heads-up. Flop Qc 10h 4h, I fired 75 and he called, turn was 10c and I checked he also checked. River was Qd and I checked again and he fired 165 and I said man I think u missed the flush and I called. He turned over Jc9c and I took down the pot. This is an easy call and also predictable because when they missed the draw, they tend to bet big on the river to take down the pot.

He made the big mistake for not re-raising after the flop with open ended. I'd have made it to 250 after the flop with open ended.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:34 AM   #35
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Lol! Everyone wants to play with 2/5_specialist, why? The answer is simple, he is a "2/5" Specialist.

We will probably play together in April where I might get some time in the weekends.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:42 PM   #36
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Lol! Everyone wants to play with 2/5_specialist, why? The answer is simple, he is a "2/5" Specialist.

We will probably play together in April where I might get some time in the weekends.

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LOL...I really hope u guys can join my table one of these days and good luck to you all cause you all going need it. I guaranteed you that I'd do at least 3 round of $50 straddle. Also, do come with a big bank roll.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:58 PM   #37
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Should be up later today, so feel free to PM me if anyone is around.
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:42 AM   #38
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Played at table 18 Friday til about 11:00, Again Good table, Good People.
I was in for 3 buy ins, but made that back and some!
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:04 PM   #39
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Just got up here. Gonna grab a bite to eat and hit the tables.

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Old 03-04-2013, 01:42 PM   #40
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how did everyone do this weekend?
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:12 PM   #41
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I understand the poker room is closed until tomorrow due to the snow storm. I am hoping to get up there this Saturday.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:59 PM   #42
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:28 PM   #43
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:18 PM   #44
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Played for about 5 hours of 1/2 on table 14 last night. Up only 200, after playing super spewy lagtard style that got 3 different nits to get it all in the middle when I had the stone nuts. Then pissed away the winnings lagtard fishing, to end up only 200 up. I've never had a table image so awful before. Showing really badly played hands, etc. Playing sloppy loose, but an image of playing even sloppier and looser and getting things going. There are certain advantages to getting zero respect, but it really makes more things an uphill battle. Fun to do every once in a while on the 1/2. One silly hand I liked:


Me UTG, raises to 12 with 5d6d UTG+3 reraises to 24, button calls. I call. Flop comes down 4 3 2 rainbow. Bingo. I bet a dumb 15, UTG+3 raises to 30. Button fold, I reraise to 90 total. At this point he has me covered, but I know that if he calls I'm just shoving about 150 on the turn as soon as the card hits the felt. He's been seeming annoyed with my play and he won't think that I'm shoving with the nuts, but rather read me as being a jackass trying to bump him off an overpair and be more prone to call then if I make a smaller bet. He calls and on the turn (a total dud, Q of a 4th suit) I quickly shove, pushing it in like a proud donkey and saying "All in!" with authority. Dude tanks and talks it out, but then still calls. He acts suprised when I roll over the stone nuts after a river blank. If only every hand was like this. I haven't been up to the chuck in a while, but it doesn't seem to have slown down at all. Got there at 5:00 and was seated almost immediately too.


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Old 03-10-2013, 04:54 PM   #45
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It feels to me like they are a little busier than a few months ago, but they seem to have a very rigid shift change. Players are starting to show up earlier on Saturday, but the shift change doesn't happen until at least noon, so there is a huge wait at noon to 2 or so until they start to catch up. They also don't like to start a new table until there are 15 or 20 players for a game, even during a time like early Saturday when they know new players are going to come.

However, when I come in the early evening, I have still found frequently that the wait for 1-2 or 2-5 is actually pretty reasonable. I guess fewer players come during dinner, so there is a brief lull from there until the start of the 7:00 tourney when some players are getting up to take their tournament seats. Then the rush resumes and the line grows anew.

As the weather (and hopefully economy) improves, I would expect a continued increase in business. I hope they address that, and I'd like to see something to address the backup early on Saturday. Even though I don't play earlier on Saturday, it disrupts a lot of other things - players come later causing backups later, and the frustration level contributes to the frustration levels later.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:01 PM   #46
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It feels to me like they are a little busier than a few months ago, but they seem to have a very rigid shift change. Players are starting to show up earlier on Saturday, but the shift change doesn't happen until at least noon, so there is a huge wait at noon to 2 or so until they start to catch up. They also don't like to start a new table until there are 15 or 20 players for a game, even during a time like early Saturday when they know new players are going to come.

However, when I come in the early evening, I have still found frequently that the wait for 1-2 or 2-5 is actually pretty reasonable. I guess fewer players come during dinner, so there is a brief lull from there until the start of the 7:00 tourney when some players are getting up to take their tournament seats. Then the rush resumes and the line grows anew.

As the weather (and hopefully economy) improves, I would expect a continued increase in business. I hope they address that, and I'd like to see something to address the backup early on Saturday. Even though I don't play earlier on Saturday, it disrupts a lot of other things - players come later causing backups later, and the frustration level contributes to the frustration levels later.
I showed up on Saturday at 4:45....and I was worried I would be in for a long wait. I was about 45 deep on 1/2 and 2/5. They called me for both seats in about 40-45 minutes. They were going through the list at a rate of 1 person per minute. Although many names were on both lists.

I was pleasantly surprised to be playing by 5:30.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:50 PM   #47
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1-2 PLO will never run @ CT while they have a monopoly (MAYBE when maryland live opens they'll spread it). We (at least 20+ of us) have asked/formally requested/done everything possible to try to spread it. The reasons given are usually gaming commission won't allow it, it will bust players, there's no plaque for it (they tape over plaques when they don't have 1 btw), etc. If they wanted to spread it they could have the gaming commission approve it for them since the mountaineer and other WV casinos spread it. (They also blame gaming commission for no reduced rake when in fact that is the general line their suppose to give and completely untrue). The actual reason is the floors/management of CT used to run a room in kansas or something and they spread 1-2 PLO there and it busted a lot of their player base. Their alternative of letting people play outside their rolls in 5-5 games probably will bust more people IMO. Anyways there was a lot of discussion about this thought id give my 2cents.

I'm glad to see people trying to take shots in the game though. I think it is more fun and profitable for a lot of 2-5 grinders. My only concern is that people will overextend themselves. (The game is a bigger jump than 2-5 to 5-10 IMO as its a 5-5-10 game really and always deep as well as PLO having more innate variance than NLHE). If people have questions on how to set up $ to take a shot in a game like this (that is what I did successfully) I'll be more than happy to talk about it.
Management actively refusing to run a game to protect players' rolls...while at the same time taking hundreds of thousands of bad beat money and redistributing them in the form of cars, bikes, "paid" trips to tournaments in yet another Hollywood casino... This **** has got to baffle the best minds out there. Just thinking about the transaction costs associated with these ridiculous prizes tilts the **** out of me.

On a more positive note, I would like to discuss your shot-taking strategy in 5/5. I have a couple of ideas that sort of worked for me. Hopefully, it's OK to discuss them in this thread.

If you're new to PLO, it's probably better to buy in short, in order to reduce the dollar value of the basic mistakes you're more likely to make than more experienced players. Short stacking also reduces the frequency of tough decisions. Obviously, there are costs to doing this, e.g. not being able to protect your hand, not being able to maximize profits when you have the nuts, increased variance (in terms of the number of buy-ins, but you would be risking smaller amounts per buy-in), etc. But I think the benefits outweigh the costs.

So when you're short stacking (say, under $700), you should be looking for ways to get your entire stack in as early as possible. I see a lot of new players limping or limp-calling single raises, etc. I think this kind of passive let's-flop-gin-then-get-it-in strategy is not optimal or even profitable. When you're playing short, you want to get as much of your stack in preflop with premium starting hands against maybe 2-3 loose-aggressive opponents. That way, you're getting most of your money in with good equity, your decision on later streets will usually be easy (probably shove 60+ percent of the time, depending on how well you hit the flop, stack to pot ratio, action among the remaining players if you're in position, etc.).

Some of the premium starting hands you want to get it in with include AA** (regardless of suitedness or connectedness), double-suited high pocket pairs, high rundowns (suitedness helps a lot, obviously), double-suited high cards (e.g. AcKhTh7c), and some double pocket pairs. After putting a lot of money in preflop with these kinds of well-coordinated hands, if you hit ANYTHING on the flop, you should be willing to get the rest of your stack in.

Also, it helps to have an ace in your hand in order to reduce the likelihood of someone else holding two aces. For example, it would be more profitable to inflate the pot with AKK5 than with KK53, all else being equal. Same thing with AKQQ vs QQ86, etc. Also, when you're playing double-suited high cards, it's much more profitable and will make your decision easier on later streets if you're playing the highest suits. For example, AcQd6c5d rather than AcQc6d5d.

Finally, if you're indifferent to playing short stack 5/5 PLO or “normal” 2/5 NL, I think it would be beneficial to game select such that you're not at the same table with too many other players using the same short stack strategy, for a variety of reasons.

There's a lot more I could say about this, such as how to effectively inflate the pot preflop against certain kinds of opponents, pros and cons of limp-raising vs opening, how to change your strategy once you have built a big stack, etc., but hopefully this will get the ball rolling on this topic.

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Old 03-11-2013, 11:45 PM   #48
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Hi Rapini,

Since the 2+2 regulars that go to CT that want to discuss the action and report session updates were directed to this thread (created recently). Since it was more like a session update and wasn't really looking for an input I posted the same here.

Let me know if I need to create a thread for CT in BBV Forum.

I think it gets too tedious to remember the multitude of links.

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I agree with Latimer, Thats why I created this forum.

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Old 03-11-2013, 11:52 PM   #49
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I am confuse as to what I can post here since my recaps being kicked off from the main page. Can you please give some clarity is it okay to post the recaps here or not? I think this thread was created so we "CT regs" can have a chat here about the CT trip and not clogged up the main page.

If you look back a couple weeks in the main page, my recaps did generate a lot of discussions or "traffic" according to your term. More traffic means good right? The above link that you've provided did not really interest me because most people (at least myself) would prefer having discussions with the "CT Regs" than those in other poker rooms. Although it is a forum strategy link, however, having a discussion with "CT Regs" makes me feel more comfortable since we go play in the same poker room and perhaps having a chance to meet up.

The bottom line is if I or other can't even post a recap in this so call "sidebar" here then there would be no interest for me to come here and chat.
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Name Change for me from Jammit to Rayzor,

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