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05-18-2011 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bainstones
What you have to remember is that this is not some internet game where people are taking extensive notes or have a holdem manager. Even in the 3/5 game, but especially in the 2/2 game, you can get away with betting the strength of your hand - preflop especially - without worrying about playing your hand face up. Go ahead and iso smallish with ****ty cards and iso larger with your monsters. (1)Generally at these stakes, most people aren't paying enough attention to put you on a pattern and (2) you don't showdown enough for them to know if your bet sizing is telegraphing your hand. It seems to work for me, but then again, no one EVER gives me credit!

Oh ya...Love playing with John the Mechanic. Last time I played 3/5 with him he 3 bet/called with all-in for about $400 with AQ when I had KK. It was a huge over shove, but I was 95% sure he was calling with any hand he 3-bet there
You're point about hand reading is right, players rarely read your hand and if they do are rarely close.

Who is this John guy? The guy who always wears greasy work clothes?
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05-19-2011 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OGKUSH88
that's the kind of spazzy sh*t Adam does all the time, which is highly profitable vs players he doesn't know but since he will never, ever give me action (unless he has the stone nuts) I'm assed out. A move that's gets no vlue from lesser hands and only gets value from hands that have him crushed.

Axiom, to counter your iso- raising amount comments, here lies the inherent merit in opening to 7-10x after a limper like peter the little man or in this case john the mechanic, they're limp calling any amount, and you're putting yourself in a position to get FOUR streets of value. (VS me anyway, mechanic john is never folding any hand)
i dont get why adam bet smallish on the flop VS a huge station like John. oh well im sure john was calling upto 100 anyways.

i remember once i think i was either utg or BB, not sure but either way I was in for minimum and i shoved over a few small raises that were called and it got to john and he tanked for a long time then folded. He said he folded 22 and wanted to call cause he knew i had AK. hahaha, nice guy though.
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05-19-2011 , 01:15 PM
Btw, OG : what is a simp?

Is there a guy named Chad who was a cage fighter or something? After 4-5 patron shots he went from the nicest guy to trying to prop bet $1k on arm wrestling and just generally getting really agitated saying he could take out everybody at the table. Then there was some commotion at a 2/2 table and he went over and pushed some old guy who was giving Luis (dealer) shizz.
Teagarden running good the past few days.
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05-19-2011 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by axiomtek
You're point about hand reading is right, players rarely read your hand and if they do are rarely close.

Who is this John guy? The guy who always wears greasy work clothes?
Yeah he's the mechanic in the greasy work clothes. His name is on his shirt lol. Super nice guy but not the greatest player and must have a large disposable income.

I grinded on some 3/6 Omaha8 yesterday. I played for like 5 hours +$187. I love how the people that are the most clueless at this game love to talk the most s**t. I made a value bet head up with AAxx on a board of 99QK2, and this old dude called with what I guess with AKxx or KQxx. He laughed at me saying something like "you know this isn't holdem right?" He was into the game for $300 before i left...

That reminds me, its so amusing/sad how upset players can get either at the dealer or another player. This one dinosaur kept muttering Fbombs at the dealer whenever he missed his draw or got pooched on a lowdraw. I have never EVER got angry at a dealer for dealing me bad cards. I may joke around but its amazing how soooo many players berade the dealer when they lose. Its pathetic and embarassing, especially when you're like 85yo.

Maybe its the herb, but after I get bust from a tourney or leave the table (up or down), I ALWAYS say goodbye and ALWAYS wish all the players luck. For instance I was in the wednesday tourney last week where I took the sicket beat 3-handed vs. some Guidojuiceheadgorilla who called my all in with 82o and went 3.9% runner runner straight vs my KK (I was in SB with ~60k with 6k-12k blinds, flop 1053 turn 6 river 4). While he is hooping and hollering high fiving his gorilla friends, I tap the table, wish the two donks goodluck, and collect, not feeling tilted at all. How can you be mad about getting your money in preflop with an 89% chance to win? After all, you only suffer bad beats when you get your money in as a huge favorite (I like getting my money in as a huge favorite).
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05-19-2011 , 01:54 PM
Speaking of grumpy and old, there is one of the grumpiest human beings I have ever seen who plays Omaha and 2/2nl. I think her name is glenda (?). Apparently she is really wealthy, but she berates dealers non-stop including icy stare downs and mean comments after getting all her money in with top&bottom pair in Omaha and complaining about getting scooped when about 4 people already had her beat. Not only the cards, but things like "it would be nice if I knew where I was going" after getting called for another game, or "I can't imagine someone thinking this steak is medium rare! Send it back!".

Glenda,
Don't worry, be happy.
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05-19-2011 , 02:40 PM
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I made a value bet head up with AAxx on a board of 99QK2, and this old dude called with what I guess with AKxx or KQxx. He laughed at me saying something like "you know this isn't holdem right?" He was into the game for $300 before i left...
Nice. That's funny though because if he thinks a river bet w. 1 pair is "bad" isnt calling a river bet with 1 pair worse?

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Originally Posted by chilidog0425
Speaking of grumpy and old, there is one of the grumpiest human beings I have ever seen who plays Omaha and 2/2nl. I think her name is glenda (?). Apparently she is really wealthy, but she berates dealers non-stop including icy stare downs and mean comments after getting all her money in with top&bottom pair in Omaha and complaining about getting scooped when about 4 people already had her beat. Not only the cards, but things like "it would be nice if I knew where I was going" after getting called for another game, or "I can't imagine someone thinking this steak is medium rare! Send it back!".

Glenda,
Don't worry, be happy.
Yes, shes a hard core regular. I don't know her story but don't let her get to you. Also, in playing pots with her she's extremely exploitable. She actually refuses to "bet head sup" she explains "cuz theres no money in the pot", ive seen her flop top set and check it down to scoop the $8 pot because it was headsup. She doesnt raise or 3bet w. AK, and is super passive, like she's the type that will flat a river bet w. the nuts, so if YOU have the nuts i'd just shove, she's never raising you so might as well hope she calls lolz
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05-19-2011 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chilidog0425
Speaking of grumpy and old, there is one of the grumpiest human beings I have ever seen who plays Omaha and 2/2nl. I think her name is glenda (?). Apparently she is really wealthy, but she berates dealers non-stop including icy stare downs and mean comments after getting all her money in with top&bottom pair in Omaha and complaining about getting scooped when about 4 people already had her beat. Not only the cards, but things like "it would be nice if I knew where I was going" after getting called for another game, or "I can't imagine someone thinking this steak is medium rare! Send it back!".

Glenda,
Don't worry, be happy.
Yeah Glenda the good witch as I like to call her. She is one of a kind. I dont feel embarrased for her when she gets out of line for some reason. I just laugh to myself - maybe its because she's ALWAYS out of line. She's really really clueless when it comes to poker and even more clueless when it comes to self-awareness.
Yeah, she's a multi-millionaire from what I heard, yet she'll buyin for $40 at a time in 4-8 omaha lol.
For some reason, she always remembers my name and is really nice to me so I have no problem with her.
LOL at all those example comments, they're right on!!!
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05-19-2011 , 03:01 PM
Last time I played with her it was blind vs blind. I don't chop, and she had like $28 or something and I just put $100 in pre w. A8o, she got so upset
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05-19-2011 , 03:47 PM
Ruling at GW:

I was playing in a tournament last week when an interesting(ridiculous imo) ruling was handed down.

I can't remember specifics, but it was a multiway pot on the turn. The turn card is put out and SB(first to act) is cutting out chips to bet. Two people check behind him before he is finished cutting out his bet. The dealer says "check around" (but doesn't burn or turn a river yet), and the SB says, "wait, I haven't even acted yet." The dealer says, "I'm sorry but you must pay attention to the action of people behind you" and ruled that he couldn't bet because he "let" people check behind him. The floor was called over and ruled in favor of the dealer, the guy was not allowed to bet because two players had already acted behind him(checking, mind you). The floor reiterated to the player that he was responsible for not letting anyone play out of turn, not the dealer.

WTF???? Isn't it the dealer's responsibility to follow the action and make sure no one acts out of turn?

So the player, who just paid $15 in reg fees on a $50 BI, is responsible for not only playing, but keeping track of the other players actions while he is considering a bet?

And the two who played out of turn, who could easily exploit this ruling to angleshoot, get rewarded for checking out of turn?
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05-19-2011 , 04:16 PM
Glenda's harmless, she loves me. lol She's a bit cranky and bitter, as I expect I will be at that age. lol Kill her with kindess.
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05-19-2011 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bainstones
Ruling at GW:

I was playing in a tournament last week when an interesting(ridiculous imo) ruling was handed down.

I can't remember specifics, but it was a multiway pot on the turn. The turn card is put out and SB(first to act) is cutting out chips to bet. Two people check behind him before he is finished cutting out his bet. The dealer says "check around" (but doesn't burn or turn a river yet), and the SB says, "wait, I haven't even acted yet." The dealer says, "I'm sorry but you must pay attention to the action of people behind you" and ruled that he couldn't bet because he "let" people check behind him. The floor was called over and ruled in favor of the dealer, the guy was not allowed to bet because two players had already acted behind him(checking, mind you). The floor reiterated to the player that he was responsible for not letting anyone play out of turn, not the dealer.

WTF???? Isn't it the dealer's responsibility to follow the action and make sure no one acts out of turn?

So the player, who just paid $15 in reg fees on a $50 BI, is responsible for not only playing, but keeping track of the other players actions while he is considering a bet?

And the two who played out of turn, who could easily exploit this ruling to angleshoot, get rewarded for checking out of turn?
This happened to me once. UTG opens for $10, I carve out $35 as a 3bet w. KK, two players behind me fold out of town, floor rules I cant re-raise. It's 3 way to the flop and loose my stack, he had aces (LOL!)

It's a pretty crazy rule, but yeah if two player act out of town it kills your action
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05-19-2011 , 06:27 PM
Played a quick hour session on Bodog today two-tabling $25PLO and $50PLO. Glad I played - up $154 Here's a couple interesting/big hands I won. Since I can't convert the hand using the converter, I'll just write them out. Comments? Criticisms?

6 handed $50 PLO. Me UTG($42.90). Villian UTG+1($47.75)

ME raise $1.5 UTG with Ac9cKh6h
Villian calls UTG+1
folds around

Flop 7h8sQs

ME bet $3.00
villian calls $3.00

(Pot $13.75)
Turn Kd

ME bet $13.75
Villians calls $13.75.....oops

(Pot $41.25)
River 4h

ME check
Villian puts me all in for $24.65
ME call!!!!

Villian shows 7cJc9d6d for a pair of 7s
I show pair of K's

I win $87.55.
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05-19-2011 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OGKUSH88
Glenda's harmless, she loves me. lol She's a bit cranky and bitter, as I expect I will be at that age. lol Kill her with kindess.
this. i never bet her HUs now, its not worth the few extra bucks. we know her game, its not like shes a lot of action or anything, shes just there.

also after a few sessions of joking with her shes really nice to me and talks to me now.
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05-19-2011 , 06:43 PM
Here's the next interesting line I took that paid off

$50 PLO 6 handed.
Vil1 - UTG($128.55)
ME - UTG+2($95.45) with AhKsJhJs
Vil2 - BB($52.31)

Vil1 calls 50c
ME raise $2.00
Button, SB, Vil2, Vil1 call $2.00

(Pot $10.00)
Flop 5c5s4s

Check around!!!

(Pot $10.00)

Turn Jd

SB check
Vil2 bet $5.00
Vil1 calls $5.00
ME calls $5.00????

(Pot $25.00)
River 6c

Vil2 bets $12.50
Vil1 folds
ME raise Vil2 all in for $32.81 more
Vil2 calls $32.81 and shows AdKd6h5h for fives full of sixes.
I show jacks full of fives and win $112.62.
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05-19-2011 , 08:33 PM
Re PLO hands:
Never played that level online, but
Hand 1
Obv that's a super thin call down. Yes, he likely would have the turn with a made hand, but you'll see top 2 or a straight a lot here. You should have a pretty good read that he's bluffing here.

Hand 2 = good hand.
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05-19-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chilidog0425
Re PLO hands:
Never played that level online, but
Hand 1
Obv that's a super thin call down. Yes, he likely would have the turn with a made hand, but you'll see top 2 or a straight a lot here. You should have a pretty good read that he's bluffing here.

Hand 2 = good hand.
Hand 1
It is a super thin call down, yet was very much read based and on his line and reaction to mine. He insta called me on the turn, basically ruling out all good 2 pair hands and ANY sets(and if he had a middling two pair, he'd never shove the river) - He would have at least considered raising, so I put him on a pair+FD sorta hand. The river 4 brought the only straight possible 56xx. However unless he had 56xx with two spades, i ruled out that out.

Given I showed huge weakness by checking the river after potting two streets, he has to be putting me on one pair and knows i cannot call a shove. He is shoving only 56 or a set or value, which made no sense given his line. Since he is shoving his missed draws almost always after I virtually turned my handface up, I believe the call was right.

Hand 2
This hand, tho looks like one, is not in fact a cooler. He basically has the bottom full house, a bluff catcher on the river. My overcall on the turn had to send redflags that my boat was already made - I could have a dry 5 but theres no way any semi-decent Omaha8 player would ever shove the river after his lead with just a dry 5, or with 5's full of 4's, or 4s full.
I posted this hand simply because I got him to stack off for 105BB with bottom full house.
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05-19-2011 , 09:58 PM
Nice. Tough to shove in omaha8 tho.
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05-20-2011 , 01:54 AM
These weren't OM8. It was PLO high
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05-20-2011 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bainstones
These weren't OM8. It was PLO high
Read your post. Haha.
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05-20-2011 , 02:44 PM
Anyone up for some heads up tonight? I still have a couple K on Absolute. (LOL)

Any stakes, we can play 5c10c or whatever just for lolz.




FML
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05-20-2011 , 02:46 PM
ill play 10nl on bodog
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05-20-2011 , 02:53 PM
Played a quick hour session on Bodog today two-tabling $25PLO and $50PLO. Glad I played - up $154 Here's a couple interesting/big hands I won. Since I can't convert the hand using the converter, I'll just write them out. Comments? Criticisms?

6 handed $50 PLO. Me UTG($42.90). Villian UTG+1($47.75)

ME raise $1.5 UTG with A9K6
Villian calls UTG+1
folds around

Flop 78Q

ME bet $3.00
villian calls $3.00

(Pot $13.75)
Turn K

ME bet $13.75
Villians calls $13.75.....oops

(Pot $41.25)
River 4

ME check
Villian puts me all in for $24.65
ME call!!!!

Villian shows 7J96 for a pair of 7s
I show pair of K's

I win $87.55.
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05-20-2011 , 03:21 PM
fixed
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05-20-2011 , 03:26 PM
I dont know PLO, but were you bet-folding the turn? Do you mash the pot button for value all the time?
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05-20-2011 , 03:52 PM
I'll put some moniez on bodog soon.
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