This may make for an interesting discussion, IDK, but I haven't seen a post on it so I'll relate a hand from the other day:
OTR it's 3-ways and I have Aces up and the only possible low. Since my Aces are up I'm first action and bet. Due to the way the hand played I thought the next to act likely had a flush but he just called so probably no flush to go w/ the pair of Kings up top. Last player was showing Q-J-2-2 and raised so there goes my Aces up for high. Decision time: Will the Kings call 2 cold w/ a possible cap or will he fold? I thought he'd fold so I just called hoping for the over call which I got along w/ funny looks (why didn't you raise?) from some of the other players. Obv position and player reads are very important and I'm simply hoping to get a discussion going.
I think your play was fine as you are elicting more callers to give u chips for the low.
You didn't have optimal position here.
Kick him out of the pot and u get nothing further for your low.
You already know this... if you were last... a re-raise would be on the card.
If you have been seen to jam any low in this spot you get to raise. The Kings may have been sandbagging with a FH or something hoping the Queens made something. He would have the same dilemma with the high nuts as you have with the low nuts.
Might as well give yourself a shot at winning a bigger pot. If you're wrong and he hero folds you miss a half bet. If you're right you could win a whole bet if the Kings calls or more if Kings goes bananas.
You're showing AA so you could have a lot of high hands, meaning the Queen is less likely to put in another raise, and the Kings hand should know that and make a crying call with the better part of his range.
That's a good point and I suppose player reads compose a significant part of the decision. I settled for half a bet rather than gamble a bit for more. If only I'd been between the two of them, bet, the Q-J-2-2 raises and the 'flush or better' either calls (or better, 3!'s) I've got a clear raise.
I like raising here. the king could also convince himself that Queens up is trying to make a play and spite call
So that's two top players saying to raise, DOH! But it gets even 'better!' Since I only get to play every now and then bec I take care of mom and I don't want to get a call to come home if I'm stuck $2K in the 20-40 this was at the 6-12 game where my chances of getting that call is even higher. Sort of embarrassing, lol me, gave too much credit.
Heh. I would love to sweat either of you two but, I admit, I think I'd enjoy watching electrical more, no offense, Chips. Every now and then I get to play in a game w/ someone who is willing to push every small edge, is not fazed by the 4+ rack swings and is good enough/disciplined enough to know where they are at and make the correct decision. I am not that player. I'm just a grinder looking for a satisfactory hourly doing something that I like and enjoying the social aspect as well.
Sometimes I think about getting a gf instead but then look where I'd be: I'd have a gf and there's not much worse than that.
just call. i do that a lot. plus it makes other players think hard about jamming you later on as they misinterpret it as slow playing.
also as you had aces showing you werent going to get extra bets except from maniacs.
That's my default and why I just called. However this is 6-12 and they play terrible, IMR terrible. I'm going to try the raise thing when it comes up next and see what happens bec it's only costing $6 if I don't get the call for a raise. Not that that should be my criteria but for that price I may as well give it a try a few times.
generally unless you are pretty sure you are going to run off the third player you should jam when you have the lock. too many good things can happen.
and even occasionally both hands may fold.
If I get two folds then I have to take my pulse to see if I'm still alive and not in Poker Heaven but thanks for the replies, Mr. Zee. You make it three TOP PLAYERS that have commented in my thread!