Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit Razz $0.05 Ante - 8 players -
Reads/relevant info: Seat 2 does not fold in big pots; ever. Especially against me after I fired a bluff at him with a horrid board (I had one pair and bricked river) and he called boardlocked to T9. He is listed as 'unfoldable' in my note system. He is also a little loose in what he plays, but is far from a maniac, its not likely he is pratting around here as he should know I will call at least - I give him a 3 card 7 at worst.
Seat 7 is pretty short going in - my raise was to iso on him and play h/up vs a short-stack. Once he caps he is not going to fold imo as he won't get through the whole hand. My guess is 3 card 8 or so at worst...
3rd Street: (1.6 SB)
Hero: 2 6 5 ___Hero raises___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx A ____Seat 2 3-bets____Seat 2 calls
Seat 3: xx xx K ____Seat 3 brings in for $0.10____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx J ____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8 ____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4 ____Seat 7 completes____Seat 7 caps!
Seat 8: xx xx T ____Seat 8 folds
Should change my avatar to the pied piper I guess!
Not a great situation as my hand is a little dead - however SIM gives me 32% (if we give seat 7 a 3 card 8) and there is some dead money around as well.
4th Street: (14.4 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 6 5 4 ___Hero raises___Hero caps!
Seat 2: xx xx A 9 ____Seat 2 calls____Seat 2 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 4 A ____Seat 7 bets____Seat 7 3-bets____Seat 7 calls
This is the interesting part for me - not sure if my raise is actually correct given what I know about seat 2. If we give seat 7 a 3 card 8 I am 45%, which is obviously fine to shovel money into the pot (and I was raising for value at the time)....however on reflection:
- I have no fold equity at all with seat 7 as he is nearly all-in.
- I have very little fold equity with seat 2 as he won't fold. If he has a made 98 by 5th he'll call to the end.
- A lot of the cards I need are dead.
As the pot is effectively protected; am I tying myself totally to it by raising? Yes I intend to get to 7th barring an unreal run-out, but should I be trying to keep it cheaper given these circumstances?
5th Street: (13.2 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 6 5 4 Q ___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx A 9 5 ____Seat 2 raises
Seat 7: xx xx 4 A 5 ____Seat 7 bets all in
At least I don't need a 5!! Obviously folding is ridiculous as I am very live against seat 2 at least....
6th Street: (18.2 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 2 6 5 4 Q J ___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx A 9 5 8 ____Seat 2 bets
Seat 7: xx xx 4 A 5 4
Vomit...I am 25% vs seat 2 and so should I be folding this given that there is a reasonably small side pot in play? Maybe I was being stubborn but I just couldn't fold given the size of the pot...
Spoiler:
7th Street: (20.2 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 2 6 5 4 Q J 3 ___Hero bets
Seat 2: xx xx A 9 5 8 xx____Seat 2 checks____Seat 2 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 4 A 5 4 xx
So I get lucky...if seat 7 has a wheel then good luck to him....seat 2 clearly doesn't have a wheel as he'd bet it ( I was a little surprised he didn't bet the 8 on the river actually).
I would put myself all in on 4th if possible. This is not a spot where you worry about fold equity - you have 3 more cards to go and a great hand.
Fold 5th? Never. Same with 6th. Isn't the side pot on 6th something like 3bb when he bets? You can call just for that. A lot of your improvements will beat him, and some of them have a good chance for the whole pot.
Think side-pot was 3bb yeah - wouldn't swear to that....
Obviously if this was no-limit Razz - there is a thought!! - I would shove the stack with a fist-pump...I can't do that, obv, hence the question
@Smarty - not sure how I could get more action in...don't think raising 5 or 6 is a great idea as we are behind seat 2 and seat 7 cannot fold/jam as he's all in
4th Street:(14.4 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 2 6 5 4 ___Hero raises___Hero caps!
Seat 2: xx xx A 9 ____Seat 2 calls____Seat 2 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 4 A ____Seat 7 bets____Seat 7 3-bets____Seat 7 calls
As the pot is effectively protected; am I tying myself totally to it by raising? Yes I intend to get to 7th barring an unreal run-out, but should I be trying to keep it cheaper given these circumstances?
Given how bloated the pot is already, they should have to pry your cards from your cold dead hands.
Folding wasn't on the agenda - although side-pot is not that big ~3bb from memory. As Rusty said the chance to scoop if I hit perfect is too much
My main point was to do with my raise on 4th given that seat 2 won't fold and seat 7 can't fold (due to stack size); am I just bloating a protected pot with a fairly dead hand...
Folding wasn't on the agenda - although side-pot is not that big ~3bb from memory. As Rusty said the chance to scoop if I hit perfect is too much
My main point was to do with my raise on 4th given that seat 2 won't fold and seat 7 can't fold (due to stack size); am I just bloating a protected pot with a fairly dead hand...
Phew, that makes me feel a little better. But that's not what's implied by the phrase "tying me to the pot." If your read on seat 7's starting hand is correct, a viable sim of 4th st would be:
So you're not in bad shape even if seat 7 didn't pair. With seat 7 as the short stack, you probably do better getting him all-in ASAP so you can get some HU value vs. seat 2 on 6th and 7th. Of course, you'll have to make a better hand than his to do that
given that they call you too much i might not have put in that raise on third street. this way you keep it small or can get out if you get worse and can push it with the goods.
you get your value from them on later streets.