Anyone play this? I played it for the first time at Parx, which has a 10-20 two way game (half super stud8, half big o8) with a half kill to 15-30 on any 150 dollar scoop. I really enjoyed it - for those who don't know the stud game is played as follows; 6 players maximum, start with four down cards and one up card, high card brings in. After third street betting round, everyone still in discards two of their down cards and then the rest of the hand proceeds like normal stud8.

This game had a lot of action (obviously bigger hands are made and fewer people fold since it's easy to create a three card hand that's worth playing at least in their mind). So generally I just approached it as needing a much bigger hand go continue (so generally playing tighter in terms of the quality of hands u need to go further with, understanding pots will be multiway, etc) though of course others play theopposite because it's fun to be there for discarding and go all the way. There is also more importance on upacrds in determining what to discard (and which direction to go, high or low). In my mind high pairs are very bad in this game as much more likely to run into rolled up or very strong low hands like 234 of Hearts that easily go both directions.

Thoughts on this game or other experiences? I had a lot of fun so may drive to Philly more often to play.

Does this game run regularly? Might result is people playing loose thinking they have a good hand in both games.

I have heard on super stud 8 being played in pot limit dealers choice games in Europe. In those, you got all cards face up, and got to choose which card to make your up card, as well as which cards to keep.

I live a few hours away so don't know for sure but from what People told me it runs several days a week. It's running now.

I like this game and have played a bunch of it as it has gone in and out of style over the years. I prefer what betgo mentions as the European version where you get 5 down, discard 2, and roll your own up card, but the nice thing about the way you describe is that you get to see all 5 up cards. In the other version, players can insta-muck without rolling.

High pairs aren't much good, but I'll go a step further: depending on the *situation* (joe tall fan in the house), being rolled up can be a trap in this game. In an action game, a hand like 456 of hearts with live outs can hit 4th street well enough to really punish a set -- especially a high set that can't disguise its direction.

Some players cannot let go of a set, then get whipsawed when they need to fill up to win. It's hard to fill up. When you are only playing for half the pot, but the pot is enormous, it is easy to ignore the math.

Does Parx cap at four or five bets?

When they deal one card face up, you almost always have to fold 9-K.

I'd try very hard to get the kill pot level raised to $200.

It's a split pot game though, I bet it doesn't half-kill that often.

And besides, the best players should prefer to play with the kill active, right?

Sometimes I wish that I was a math person but I intuitively feel that such a low amount affects starting hand values considerably as well as later street plays. I know that in the LHE games I play players will often pass up a river bet in order to keep the amount of the pot below the kill level. Of course the better players will make proper adjustments superior to the less skilled but at such a low amount IDK if there's really that much wiggle room.

And in the 6-12 OE that I've been playing it takes more than 15 small bets to trigger a (full) kill.

Is this you complaining that people won't make thin value bets against you? It won't stop whip sawing because that can't lead to a kill

4 bet cap.

It's that I've never seen such a low threshold for any type of kill trigger. I could put up w/ it but I think it should be higher.

Also, as I tell the dealers, 'I'm old and don't need this sort of pressure!'

Examine your feelings and opinions about why you think the threshold being low is bad. You'll either find out something useful, or you'll discover a leak of yours.

Personally I've always felt that kill games mostly exist to lure in suckers, because it's "only 10/20". The rest of their appeal to regs is that it's easier to push people around when the stakes increase and they literally have to count out 50-100% more chips.

It's probably true that there's such a thing as a threshold that is too low, because it scares off the people you're trying to attract, but I've never seen it, and I've played in some games where probably 30% of the hands were kill hands.

OK, I'll think it over even though this doesn't apply to me since all of the kill pots require higher amounts at Casino Arizona.

ETA: I DO like kill pots, though, since it takes so many players out of their comfort zone.

How many player do they allow to play this? Do they use community cards often?

OP wrote that its 6-max so I guess pretty much never.

I've played the PL "euroversion" in our PL dealers choice a bit and its lots of fun. Definetly action packed game.

I played this once in Las Vegas, and was very disappointed that they had the high card bring it in (as in this version as well). Not sure why, but kind of spoils the game IMO and I don't know what the rationale could be for changing from the regulat Stud 8 low card bringin.

Once or twice at Ft McDowell in AZ when the 20/40 OE game was shorthanded, we improvised and tried out the super stud and Big O versions and it was fun, but we still had low card bring it in.

The game allows 8 players (since it's half big o) but during the stud rounds two people sit out. In the few hours I played they ran out of cards once. They didn't use a community card, they shuffled the discards and remaining stub and everyone got a river card.

If you are going to not let the players choose the up card, having the high card bring it in is better. Unless it is folded to you in late position, a face card up card is probably only playable if you are rolled up.

But why do you think choosing your upcard makes it better to have hig bring it in? I just think it changes the character of the game too much, because typically in Stud 8 if you have to bring it in you have at least one part of a playable hand, but in this game you almost never do.

In razz the lousiest card brings it in, and in high the lousiest card brings it in, so some players feel that to be consistent, the lousiest card in hi-lo should bring it in.

This brings us to the question of what the lousiest card in this game is. Players might feel that announcing high cards are lousy is giving up too much information, so they're good with the low bringing it in. Others say the hell with it.

I feel that whatever card encourages the most bad play should be used.

Super 8 is closer to any-any than it is to Stud 8 imo. Because starting hands are so much stronger, people who count on their high equity (and occasional scoops) are going to get destroyed, and that was a feature of HiLo (any-any). In any-any the big card brings it in and that's appropriate for either style of Super 8.

The high hands have more value in Stud 8 so the low bring-in is fine, and it allows for the bring-in to make more weak peels and poor defenses, both of which help the game.

I did some simulations, and playing 6-handed and not being able to choose the up card, you won't get that huge starting hands usually. KK/QQ/(A2)Ksss might be playable sometimes, because there are fewer player. Pairs of face cards would be weaker in the pot limit choose you own European version, even though you would make them concealed with a wheel card up in that game

Really the 9 should bringin, then up to K and start going up from 2 if no high cards.

They do it like this in the Pineapple (3 cards down, dealt 7-handed) versions of Razz and Stud-8 at Aria too

In the UK we don't have the bring in issue, it's usually played pot limit with blinds, dealt 5 cards, discard two and roll your own door card.

Fun game but plays huge