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Originally Posted by Go Get It
 TY
Yeah, seat 3, now knowing his hand, has a ultra wide call range here on third which is bad. His hand just doesn't play well on later streets here.
And I think I ran a sim in the article where it was clear hero should have a plurality of the EQ here but scooping vs. two hands here hero is a dog. Kinda like the one above. But that's what would a made a bet here so great. I mean, whenever you know you have the most equity in a given hand you should be willing to put as much in as you can, barring wacky bubble or satty situations.
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I think whether a check/call, check/fold or value bet is best is very situational. As an example if Seat 1 is capable of folding unless he has Two Pair and/or Seat 3 has a capable enough read on you to raise you when he hits his Two Pair wouldn't the value bet be -EV
Here is your best case where both players just call 100% of the time whether they improve or not
.464 * 2 = .928
.238 * -1 = -.238
.298 * -1 = -.298
.928 - .238 - .298 = .392
Here is the case where Seat 1 folds unless he improves and Seat 3 always calls
.464 * 1 = .464
.238 * -1 = -.238
.298 * -1 = -.298
.464 - .238 - .298 = -.072
Case where Seat 1 folds unless he hits Q's up and Seat 3 raises with Aces Up and you call (even if you don't call its still slight -EV)
.238 * -1 = -.238
.464 * 1 = .464
.298 * -2 = -.596
.464 - .238 - .596 = -.37
Also you have put Seat 1 on a VERY exact range. If you include some cases where he is drawing low with a straight draw (like I postulated above) and is almost sure to fold unless he has you scooped or makes his low then your value bet has even worse EV. I personally think you have to factor in this range at least *some* of the time. There is no way you can pin this player to exactly JJ-KK (actually a competent player would never play these hands like that and would be more likely to have caught some sort of high/low draw on 5th)
Looking at it I think its still an extremely thin value bet and derives its value from you having the greatest equity going to 7th street and the expectation that Seat 1 is going to call as light as QQ