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Old 02-12-2017, 01:36 PM   #1
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Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

Poker Stars $0.20/$0.40 Limit Stud $0.04 Ante - 6 players - View hand 3024348
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3rd Street: (1.2 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9 ____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9 ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx A ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2 ____Seat 4 brings in for $0.08____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx A ____Seat 5 completes
Hero: A Q K ___Hero calls

4th Street: (3.6 SB) (2 players)
Seat 5: xx xx A T ____Seat 5 bets
Hero: A Q K 6 ___Hero folds


Another simple spot

I brick off and get out, i figure he must have TT-KK underneath or maybe case ace

Should I even play the hand? Raise 3rd?

Am i playing it too weak here?

No reads, just sat down btw, so guessing he's not folding judging by the field in these games
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:50 PM   #2
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

This is a tough one. Id say raise or fold third. By spazzing u can get a fold on 4th if u hit a diamond for example and you are probably ahead unless villain has a hidden pair so worst case scenario you brick and get a pair vs two pair on 7th.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:52 PM   #3
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

Raising seems good. His most likely hand is spades and having it HU will make his hand pretty easy to play against
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:23 PM   #4
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

raise or fold 3rd. Keep in mind short-handed stud doesn't play like short-handed hold 'em. You don't have to play significantly more hands since there's less ante. A first-to-act raise with an A is pretty strong, even if he's representing the case-ace. You either have to call-bs and knock out hands behind with a raise or let it go.

As played, folding 4th is correct. You completely bricked and even lost an out and pot is tiny. You're only calling if you pair up, hit a broadway card or hit a club.
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:36 AM   #5
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

Realised now the hand is AQK not KQA. How much difference does this make to the optimal play of the hand?

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Old 02-18-2017, 09:38 AM   #6
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

Assuming hero folded 4th I think the hand is ok, I think all options for 3rd are feasible

Even if villain raised any axx hand 3rd hero has fallen behind on 4th, if he did not catch much better than us I would plan on showing more agression
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Old 02-21-2017, 09:32 AM   #7
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

toss pre regardless what door is
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Old 02-21-2017, 11:03 PM   #8
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

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toss pre regardless what door is
very interested in your reasoning.

i was inclined to think i have the best hand on 3rd and a good live straight draw to go with it.

but then again he could easily have a pair, probably jacks.

obviously there is some conflict between those two suggestions so i need to have my thinking adjusted correctly.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:41 AM   #9
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

how do we have the best hand often?

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd42.90% 256,7441,348
22-kk, a*, ss, [t-k][t-k] / as57.10% 341,9081,348

akq is a dog vs. 33:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

akq is a dog vs. 3 spades:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

the only portion of the range we're ahead of is 22 and other broadway hands.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:07 PM   #10
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

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how do we have the best hand often?

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd42.90% 256,7441,348
22-kk, a*, ss, [t-k][t-k] / as57.10% 341,9081,348

akq is a dog vs. 33:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

akq is a dog vs. 3 spades:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

the only portion of the range we're ahead of is 22 and other broadway hands.
I didn't realise AKQ was behind 3 spades! I just thought AKQ high would be ahead because it's currently better in high card strength if he doesn't have a pair.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:00 AM   #11
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

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how do we have the best hand often?

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd42.90% 256,7441,348
22-kk, a*, ss, [t-k][t-k] / as57.10% 341,9081,348

akq is a dog vs. 33:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

akq is a dog vs. 3 spades:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

the only portion of the range we're ahead of is 22 and other broadway hands.
Looks like you copied the matchup vs the 33 twice
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:27 AM   #12
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

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akq is a dog vs. 3 spades:
ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
dead cards: 99a2
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
acqckd45.70% 274,122181
33as54.30% 325,697181

the only portion of the range we're ahead of is 22 and other broadway hands.
First of all, you didn't show the right sim, but that's neither here nor there. What matters here is the playability of the hand. I think you're undervaluing how often the hand is spades. Unless he actually hits a flush, it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to win the pot. We will bet every street until he makes a flush, and he won't be able to showdown his accidental small pairs. We will just win the hand on 5th such a high percentage of the time that playing aggressively HAS to be right. This is stud. You have to punish people who play dead cards
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Old 02-23-2017, 03:33 AM   #13
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

^ okay I agree now that this is playable as a bluff sorta.

I guess I didn't consider what the lower portion end of our range would be and just looked at the sims of one instance of our range.

Given that the situation is very likely to go heads up after reraising, It seems like re-raising is a better option than flatting.

What are you playing then?

Kings,
22+,
Broadways,
Diamonds,

I almost feel like our range is just as wide as the opener now (perhaps wider), but herhaps it's right to do so in stud hi and being able to act last every street.

It just doesn't feel exactly right with people left to act.
Also what if villain is showdown bound?
What if the table is loose?

My guess is 22, worse broadway type hands and lower flush draws are to be tossed first.

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Old 03-01-2017, 07:50 AM   #14
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Re: Stud high - KQA vs dead Ace completion

The spades are live. The aces are dead. Fold. Don't be the one punished for playing dead cards.
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