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07-05-2015 , 08:59 PM
How should I have played this hand?

Poker Stars $1.29+$0.21 Limit Stud Hi/Lo Tournament - t80/t160 Limit + t16 - 8 players
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Seat 1: t1006 M = 4.06
Hero (): t1728 M = 6.97
Seat 3: t2522 M = 10.17
Seat 4: t3502 M = 14.12
Seat 5: t392 M = 1.58
Seat 6: t1023 M = 4.12
Seat 7: t1290 M = 5.20
Seat 8: t537 M = 2.17

3rd Street: (1.6 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 6____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 9 A A___Hero completes___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx A____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx K____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx J____Seat 6 calls____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9____Seat 7 raises
Seat 8: xx xx 5____Seat 8 brings in for $24____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (14.9 SB) (6 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 8____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 9 A A 3___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx A J____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7 2____Seat 4 checks____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx K T____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9 4____Seat 7 bets

5th Street: (10.45 BB) (6 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 8 2____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 9 A A 3 T___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx A J Q____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7 2 8____Seat 4 bets
Seat 5: xx xx K T 4____Seat 5 calls all in
Seat 7: xx xx 9 4 5____Seat 7 calls

6th Street: (16.3 BB) (6 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 8 2 2____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 9 A A 3 T J___Hero folds
Seat 3: xx xx A J Q 6____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7 2 8 3____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx K T 4 8
Seat 7: xx xx 9 4 5 9____Seat 7 bets

7th Street: (19.3 BB) (4 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 1: xx xx 6 8 2 2 xx____Seat 1 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 7 2 8 3 xx____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx K T 4 8 xx
Seat 7: xx xx 9 4 5 9 xx____Seat 7 bets

My thoughts after the fact are that I should maybe have raised pre, called but not liked it and then folded 4th when I didn't improve.

thoughts?
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07-06-2015 , 12:38 AM
Reraise on Third.
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07-06-2015 , 02:43 AM
I am new to stud games but I don't think we should re-raise 3rd here unless we honestly expect it to knock out all of the players behind us. We need to stay alive in the tournament and this seems like a bad spot to play the big pot.
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07-06-2015 , 07:37 AM
I disagree with just about everything you said
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07-06-2015 , 12:23 PM
Definitely re-raise 3rd, try and thin the field and give yourself the best chance at scooping the pot.

On 4th, again a good spot to raise. Here you can actually rep a strong low draw which could get inferior high hands to call and get inferior lows to fold on future streets if you catch more wheel cards.

On 5th, again another argument to raise. You're most likely only going for half the pot but you can give yourself the best chance of winning that by folding out seat 3 and possibly seat 7, who both look like they're going high.

6th you're most likely behind and can fold. In a cash game I'd call down as there's such a large pot with you already heavily invested, but calling another 2BBs cripples you, whereas folding as leaving yourself with 3.5BBs gives you some options. I'm not really a tournament player though so there's more experienced players in here to listen to.
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07-06-2015 , 03:30 PM
I would reraise 3rd to try to get some folds behind you. You have whats known as bad aces with 2 of your outs already dead from up cards. Stud 8 is a game where you have to play those big pairs very cautiously as a lot of times you just end up getting freerolled. Since its a tournament and not a cash game every bet is so important I think its important to try to get it down to 2 or 3 players by raising and continue if you get a good street.
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07-06-2015 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0
I disagree with just about everything you said
But if we KNEW they were calling the 3-bet, we wouldn't do it right?
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07-06-2015 , 06:56 PM
I'm learning a lot from this forum, thanks a lot guys.

I think the lesson is to try to raise and reduce the field with what is likely the best hi hand at the time.

I've never seen so many people go so far in a real money stud hand. More than half the deck is exposed for all to see.
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07-07-2015 , 01:27 AM
I don't really get the fold on 6th. The guy shouldn't be that likely to have trip 9s or better.
Seems unlikely he raised 3rd with 99 anyway, and you have one of the 9s.
I know nothing about tournament considerations though.
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07-07-2015 , 02:18 AM
What hands ranges do you guys think a 9 is completing in this spot. I mean you can't really think he's completing split 9's. I mean seriously

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07-08-2015 , 01:03 PM
I did think he was completing with split 9s+ and when the 3rd 9 hit I thought I was behind and could be drawing to as little as 1 out for half the pot.

Was I wrong to think this?
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07-08-2015 , 01:12 PM
While it is possible, split nines is not a very good starting hand, and gets worse as more people join the pot. I think it would be an absolutely terrible raise in that spot. While it is possible he had it, the fact that you had one of the 9s in your hand reduces the probability, and increases the chance he had something else.
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07-09-2015 , 01:46 PM
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07-09-2015 , 06:37 PM
Lol, ****ing a. Well from this I think that we can deduce that $1s are about as tough as you'd expect them to be .
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07-10-2015 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
While it is possible, split nines is not a very good starting hand, and gets worse as more people join the pot. I think it would be an absolutely terrible raise in that spot. While it is possible he had it, the fact that you had one of the 9s in your hand reduces the probability, and increases the chance he had something else.
Can we really deduce someone's hand when they are raising 6 players with a 9? I mean once the third 9 shows up, it's clear that they made a terrible play on 3rd no matter what they had, and any hand reading performed on them needs to be taken with a fairly large grain of salt.
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07-10-2015 , 11:53 PM
I don't know that you can based on good play, but just statistically when you have a 9 in your hand it makes it less likely than other hands, and when the other 9 comes up it is even less likely that he started with split 9s, as there is only one left.
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07-11-2015 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't know that you can based on good play, but just statistically when you have a 9 in your hand it makes it less likely than other hands, and when the other 9 comes up it is even less likely that he started with split 9s, as there is only one left.
Right, combinatorically obviously it's less likely. But so then what conclusion what you get from this? Like that he has some pocket pair?
I would guess that anyone reasonable would only be doing this with buried Aces, but obviously that's impossible when we have 2 of them, and there is a 3rd one out. So yeah as Donk said, it's clear that they made a bad play no matter what. And so on 6th when we now know for definite that he wasn't rolled up, I would likely continue/call. And then re-evaluate if it gets raised-3bet when it comes back round to us. And arguably the 9s shouldn't really be betting there vs the 7283 board anyway.
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