Stud 8: When do you complete the bring? - Stud Poker

You know that if you bring, there's a good chance it will be limped around and you'll be facing a family pot.

Do you complete there?

In fact, do you ever complete the bring?

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10-20-2014 , 05:11 AM

chillrob

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Isn't a family pot exactly what you want with a monster drawing hand? That would usually be the last type of hand I would want to bring in full. A back raise will be good if it isn't likely to push people out.

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10-20-2014 , 12:24 PM

Joe Tall

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never

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10-20-2014 , 01:32 PM

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Basically never in a cash game.

But there are certainly many spots in tourneys where I would raise with a shorter stack. But even with a short stack in a tourney I would take my chances with keeping it multiway with A23s

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10-20-2014 , 02:13 PM

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I have done it occasionally in a shorthanded game when I thought it would exploit leaks of particular other players.

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10-21-2014 , 09:58 AM

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Never, except when shorthanded as massive chipleader at a soft MTT-final-table, where I have a realistic chance to pick up the pot directly, due to opponents being scared because of ICM-reasons.

Never in a cash-game.

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10-21-2014 , 11:49 AM

Donk Quixote

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Say in theory, you have 5

showing and the dead cards are J

...

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10-21-2014 , 12:28 PM

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The only time I have in a full game was when I had the only low card showing and the other guys were mostly rather tight and preferred low-oriented hands.

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10-21-2014 , 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

Say in theory, you have 5

showing and the dead cards are J

...

You should want every one of them to limp in, or even better for one of them to try a ludicrous steal.

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10-21-2014 , 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks

You should want every one of them to limp in, or even better for one of them to try a ludicrous steal.

Kinda silly to say you want something to happen which is extremely unlikely to ever happen and over which you have no control. Not to mention you would only want this assuming you have a playable hand.

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10-22-2014 , 12:58 AM

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i would do it when most were already in as why give all them a free flop and lose that equity. none or only a few will fold in these spots with so many in and rightly so.
plus it builds a giant pot early and later on dead drawing hands will continue thinking about the fake odds they are getting.

or another time would be if it is going to be three handed and one of the hands i would want to knock out might go out to a raise.

but in general you want a big field.

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10-22-2014 , 01:09 AM

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Ray, he's talking about bringing in full as the bring in, no one is in yet

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10-22-2014 , 01:21 AM

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ah ha, then the answer is never ever as well, sorry. \\

wait, unless it is a very passive game with little raising and most calling all the bets anyway. since we are making up not likely scenarios.

in all the games unless the game is passive and loose it is hard to find a hand to complete for a full bringin.

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10-23-2014 , 03:00 AM

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When playing HU, I often raise my bringin vs. a high card if my opponent often limps in this situation.

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11-20-2014 , 01:47 PM

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What if you're 4 handed or something? Is the answer still never (or extremely infrequently)? Or do we now have a completion range? My guess is that we still just bring in almost always, especially with a good player or two in lineup who will pick up on unbalanced tendencies.

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11-20-2014 , 10:14 PM

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why give up that you have a playable hand for an opening bet when you can use it against them later for much more.

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11-20-2014 , 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by THE_BEAVER

Being shorthanded should make it more likely that your opponents complete themselves with a much worse range which gives you a chance to raise when it's your turn, which is even better. If people aren't completing a lot, then, OK, maybe you lose a bit of a chance to get a raise in, but it's counteracted by being in a very profitable game overall.

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11-21-2014 , 04:39 AM

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I never do in cash. But the only time I would think about it would be in a tournament and we were very short-handed, and it was an important ICM spot, such as the bubble with short-stacks, and it would be more valuable for me to just take down the antes (and my bring-in back) on 3rd, than risk getting to future streets in worse shape.

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11-21-2014 , 06:07 AM

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heads up, villain shows 9-k. I show 2-8. open-complete everytime imo.

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11-21-2014 , 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger415

heads up, villain shows 9-k. I show 2-8. open-complete everytime imo.

Huh?? The rest of the people here are talking about the first betting round, when each player has only one card showing, not the second.

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11-21-2014 , 01:52 PM

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You would have to develop a bluff bring in frequency I would think, which seems pretty bad. I have done it before, but only when I am just being stupid at a low stakes table to be sociable.

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11-21-2014 , 04:14 PM

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he means 9 thru king and 2 thru 8 showing.

however both hands run close in showdown value. the low hand may play better against many players. but will get in trouble building the pot so early against a better player who picks his spots wisely as you wont get as many bad folds on fifth street.

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11-21-2014 , 05:59 PM

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Never, just trying to decide if it is worse to do it in Stud 8 compared to Razz as there have been several threads on this topic although they might have been from the HU SnG days rather than a populated cash table.

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11-21-2014 , 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

why give up that you have a playable hand for an opening bet when you can use it against them later for much more.

The only reason is if taking the pot down on 3rd a decent % of the time is valuable, or if it creates more fold equity on later streets. So the only circumstances I would think it's a better play than bringing in for the min are if the antes are very high, your opponents make a lot of nitty folds vs. scary low boards on 5th/6th, or in an ICM distorted spot. A couple villains made this move at the final table of a HORSE MTT when the effective stacks were very shallow and playing a hand to showdown would put them all-in. I can see some upside to doing it in that spot.