Mirage $4/8 Mixed Game
7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit Orbit

Seat 1: Fish 2 ($150)
Seat 4: Hero ($300)
Seat 5: Fish 1 ($180)
Everyone posts $1 ante
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Fish 1 [2]
Dealt to Fish 2 [7]
Dealt to tRaMSt0p [5 3 / 8]
Fish 1: brings in for $1
Other Player: calls $1
Other Player: calls $1
Other Player: calls $1
Fish 2: calls $1
Hero: calls $1
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Fish 1 [2] [K]
Dealt to Fish 2 [7] [9]
Dealt to tRaMSt0p [5 3 / 8] [4]
Fish 1: checks
Fish 2: checks
Hero: bets $4
Fish 1: calls $4
Other Player: folds
Other Player: folds
Other Player: folds
Fish 2: calls $4
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Fish 1 [2 K] [5]
Dealt to Fish 2 [7 9] [8]
Dealt to tRaMSt0p [5 3 / 8 4] [6]
Fish 1: checks
Fish 2: checks
Hero: bets $8
Fish 1: calls $8
Fish 2: calls $8
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Fish 1 [2 K 5] [3]
Dealt to Fish 2 [7 9 8] [7]
Dealt to Hero [5 3 / 8 4 6] [2]
Fish 1: checks
Fish 2: bets $8
Hero: ???

Is it better calling here to keep Fish 1 in the hand while also disguising your hand and (at a worse case) minimizing lost bets if Fish 1 has a better low and Fish 2 has the higher straight/full house?

Or is shoveling in as many bets as possible the ideal play knowing you're scooping the heavy majority of the time?

Notes: Fish 1 had only played Stud-8 a few times in their life while Fish 2 had never played

Fish 1 looks like he caught pretty good as well, so chances are he'd call a double bet back to him. Also, your hand is somewhat well disguised as you'd need to have exactly 35 or 75 in the hole to have such a strong hand. I'd go ahead and raise it up.

Yeah I'd raise. Also I died a little inside when I saw you called 3rd

+1. You have a big hand. To get paid by fish, they have to still be drawing. 7th street is too late.


I pop it here. It may be FPS against fish in a 4-8 game, but with the 25% ante I'm pretty sure it is correct from a number of perspectives. You don't say how many clubs might be dead from the folding players, but the fewer dead clubs, the more I drool when I raise 3rd.

I can't remember why I called 3rd exactly ... I do know that I closed the action

Sixth is when you can jam the most hands in the most situations. You can't make your hand opaque, it's obvious you caught good, and you've just been bet into. You need to maximize in these situations because they are your biggest potential earn in this game. As noted, by the river your opponents may have nothing to call with, but at the moment they may have aspirations that will let them call everything.

This is a classic jam spot and if you don't take advantage of it you won't make money in this game.

Third you can call or raise. With a straight draw you should always raise. Your hand could still bust out with a big red card so calling isn't the worst, though if you were closing the action you should take the opportunity to raise and make a big pot to draw at.

Raise as many times as allowed. If you're worried about some competent player reading your hand well or correctly getting away from a crappy high or crappy low, then okay, consider other options. But if they are clueless players playing on vacation, raise!

I think 3rd street raise or call depends on how live your cards are, which we don't know because we were not given the upcards of the players who folded 3rd or 4th.

On 6th street either the action or the boards are incorrect; the player with a pair showing should be acting first.

bet or raise every street.

3s is like the gin card that will get the guy to chase a lot of things.

[QUOTE=chillrob;47662982]I think 3rd street raise or call depends on how live your cards are, which we don't know because we were not given the upcards of the players who folded 3rd or 4th.

Yeah I couldn't remember the up cards, but from memory there might have been a dead club and dead pair out for me, but not 100% sure

Cards are correct, just wrote out the hand history wrong

why would you want to let a likely wheel draw which will certainly call and a possible flush he may also have a draw to get a cheap card.
you will learn soon enough not to give cheap cards when you have the best hand and it can easily get outdrawn.
and here you would also be giving the paired hand a free card by not raising.