Although Villain catches an A on 5th, two of the others are dead. It seemed like a good spot for me to try to rep that I had a made Aces up or trip deuces, since I doubted he would have better than Kings up. Even that seems unlikely when I end up rivering Kings up myself, but I think his raise on 6th has to be extremely strong. I tanked for a long time before folding the river.

I'm pretty inexperienced at this game, so I welcome all comments, but I was particularly curious about the check-raise on 5th and the fold on 7th.

PokerStars Game #67516570346: Tournament #2011090031, $300+$20 USD 8-Game (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level XXII (500/1000) - 2011/09/14 15:53:04 MT [2011/09/14 17:53:04 ET]
Table '2011090031 44' 6-max
Seat 1: AleksS69 (21771 in chips)
Seat 2: foucault82 (17366 in chips)
Seat 3: Ghoyteep (15412 in chips)
Seat 4: DYBYDX (11892 in chips)
Seat 5: ApKTuK (16050 in chips)
Seat 6: DON CASTI (4047 in chips)
Ghoyteep: posts the ante 100
DYBYDX: posts the ante 100
ApKTuK: posts the ante 100
DON CASTI: posts the ante 100
AleksS69: posts the ante 100
foucault82: posts the ante 100
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to AleksS69 [Qd]
Dealt to foucault82 [8c 7c 2h]
Dealt to Ghoyteep [Kd]
Dealt to DYBYDX [Qs]
Dealt to ApKTuK [9h]
Dealt to DON CASTI [As]
foucault82: brings in for 150
Ghoyteep: raises 350 to 500
DYBYDX: folds
ApKTuK: folds
DON CASTI: calls 500
AleksS69: folds
foucault82: calls 350
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to foucault82 [8c 7c 2h] [Ac]
Dealt to Ghoyteep [Kd] [4h]
Dealt to DON CASTI [As] [3c]
DON CASTI: checks
foucault82: bets 500
Ghoyteep: calls 500
DON CASTI: calls 500
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to foucault82 [8c 7c 2h Ac] [2c]
Dealt to Ghoyteep [Kd 4h] [Ad]
Dealt to DON CASTI [As 3c] [Ts]
foucault82: checks
Ghoyteep: bets 1000
DON CASTI: folds
foucault82: raises 1000 to 2000
Ghoyteep: calls 1000
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to foucault82 [8c 7c 2h Ac 2c] [Kh]
Dealt to Ghoyteep [Kd 4h Ad] [Tc]
foucault82: bets 1000
Ghoyteep: raises 1000 to 2000
foucault82: calls 1000
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to foucault82 [8c 7c 2h Ac 2c Kh] [Ks]
foucault82: checks
Ghoyteep: bets 1000
foucault82: folds
Uncalled bet (1000) returned to Ghoyteep
Ghoyteep collected 11600 from pot
Ghoyteep: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: AleksS69 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: foucault82 folded on the River
Seat 3: Ghoyteep collected (11600)
Seat 4: DYBYDX folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ApKTuK folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DON CASTI folded on the 5th Street

i dont like the 5th check..your hand is so strong and often enough its going to be checked through and you lose too much value.
call river.
Once the king bets you have to raise.

dont fold the river

Poker Stars $300+$20 Limit Stud Hi/Lo Tournament - t500/t1000 Limit + t100 - 6 players
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Seat 1: t21771 M = 16.13
Hero (): t17366 M = 12.86
Seat 3: t15412 M = 11.42
Seat 4: t11892 M = 8.81
Seat 5: t16050 M = 11.89
Seat 6: t4047 M = 3.00

3rd Street: (1.2 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx Q____Seat 1 folds
Hero: 8 7 2___Hero brings in for $150___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx K____Seat 3 completes
Seat 4: xx xx Q____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx A____Seat 6 calls

4th Street: (4.2 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 7 2 A___Hero bets
Seat 3: xx xx K 4____Seat 3 calls
Seat 6: xx xx A 3____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

5th Street: (3.6 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 7 2 A 2___Hero checks___Hero raises
Seat 3: xx xx K 4 A____Seat 3 bets____Seat 3 calls
Seat 6: xx xx A 3 T____Seat 6 folds

6th Street: (7.6 BB) (2 players)
Hero: 8 7 2 A 2 K___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx K 4 A T____Seat 3 raises

7th Street: (11.6 BB) (2 players)
Hero: 8 7 2 A 2 K K___Hero checks___Hero folds
Seat 3: xx xx K 4 A T xx____Seat 3 bets

Could you expand on this please? I know it's an awfully tight fold. My reasoning was that

a) I don't think Villain has a low
b) I don't think Villain expects me to fold, so not a bluff
c) Despite getting raised on 5th, he's still raising 6th and betting 7th into an open pair. Can he really do that for value with worse than Ks and 2s?

B/C 5th for value, define your hand, gain fold equity later. It is unusual to c/r open pairs for value in stud 8. If you really had aces up or trips why would you give a free card to Don Casti? If you bet 5th outright and catch good on 6th villain is most likely folding but if you c/r he's most likely calling down unless you hit an open A or 2.

C/C River

Your line on 5th didn't make all that much sense TBH. He could have picked up a giant combo draw on 5th (diamonds and low) and on 6th you are showing 2A2K with three aces and two kings dead. Furthermore your flat call on 6th suggests you don't have three deuces. He can either be raising kings up, trips+ for value but a % of the time he's taking control of the hand believing there is a large % of the time you have pair + draw (which you did.) He can obviously bet river for value when he improves but given the action and analysis above I think he can bluff / merge with pairs and air. Obviously, this is all player dependent and you didn't give us much information on villain. Is he a thinking player, straightforward, call station? If he's either of the last two you can throw most of what I said out the window.

EDIT: Venturing into this forum and responding makes me realize how much I miss online stud 8 since Black Friday...

Ah WCOOP time, when the NL players' threads blossom in the stud forum like the wildflowers in Death Valley after the spring rains. Very interesting decision on 7th IMO, but disagree with your thinking on earlier streets (despite this not being my game either). Your c/r on 5th looks like a pair of 2s + a low draw + a flush or wheel draw which is a fave over bare split Ks, so I doubt you're fooling a decent villain here. I'd interpret his raise on 6th as meaning "that K sure didn't help any of your draws so even with just KK I'm ahead now you donk" rather than some sort of monster. But would he bet bare Ks again on 7th? maybe since you checked to him?

Let's go back to 3rd street and not defend/overcall here.

I miss online stud8...so much .

nit

so how far off was I with my analysis/guess about 5th & 6th?

Bout tree fiddy?

Seems reasonable for a thinking villian, do we have one here?

That makes a lot of sense, thank you. I'm afraid I didn't have much info on Villain myself, as this was my first rotation in the game (I late registered). Also I'm not necessarily that great at determining who knows what they're doing in Stud games ;-)

+1

Really horrible razz hand to defend. Yeah, there are lots of high cards out and you could make a low for half. Repeat, COULD... for HALF. Not a good strategy. Fold hands like this. Play hands with scoop potential. Why draw to the ****tiest of low draws with basically no high potential?

+2. The worst thing you can do in split pot games is to get into a multiway pot where you're going uphill both ways, which sure looks like the situation here on 3rd. Or put it this way: you caught perfect on 4th, pretty damn good on 5th, and STILL lost 5 BB in this hand.