If it is HU, and you are drawing to only a low on 6th street. How many bets does the pot need to be in order to call?

Hero has
2c 3c 4c 5d Jh 9s

Villain has
xxKKKK

When villain bets. What odds does hero need to get to make the call? How would you let dead cards effect this decision?

Cheers

Take number of live unpairing low cards, divide by total number of unseen cards, multiply by 100 and divide by 2 (since we're drawing to half the pot) and that is your pot equity expressed as a percentage.

So in this case, we're about 38% to make the hand, putting our equity at 19%, so we need a little more than 4:1 to call, so the pot would have to be over 4 BBs.

Now if there were say, 3 dead As and 3 dead 6s on 3rd street, we would need over 6:1 to call, although we might extrapolate that the downcards are more likely to be high cards if those players folded 3rd.

in your case the pot should have to be 0.84BB(assuming you fold 7th ui) on 6th if aces and sixes are live outs for hi (and all other low outs are live)

Hero has no outs to beat quads for high

Thanks. This is what I was looking for. Just knowing the general answer without trying to calculate everything every time (probably using my fingers). I can adjust this a bit depending what cards I have seen.

Cheers

right didnt see villains hand.in that case ~3.27BB potsize on 6th

What if it was same situation, but on 5th street instead of 6th. What odds would you need to call a bet knowing you have 2 streets to hopefully chop? When do you just give up?

Example
Hero 2348J
Villain XXKKK

http://propokertools.com/simulations
throw it in there and then do the math.
you can enter dead cards to make it more precise.

lets give villain hidden pair of 9's so that all lows are live.
then you have ~20% equity, if there are 2$ in the pot and a 1$ bet you have to call,
you lose money doing that. 3$ in the pot and 1$ to call, you break-even and so on.
in a high-game, you'd lose 4 times 1$ and win 4$ the 5th time.
here you brick ~62.5% and split 37.5% time.

2348J vs 99KKK has ~31% equity, but if you are not on 6th street, you have to look at the playability of your hand, the earlier the street, the more important is the playabilty and the less important are the effective odds.
he knows you go low and when he cant be beaten for the high, you obv have bad playability.

please correct me, if im wrong with my math-part, quite some time ago, that i did that.

when you are looking at quads on board it is time to throw away a low draw

If the quads are low cards, maybe. Otherwise the pot is pretty much guaranteed to be big enough.

there is no point calling to try to get your money back. play to scoop. we fold queens when we are looking at three low wheel cards. so we fold wheel cards when we are looking at quads.

what's the difference?

Now you're just trolling. Nice try.

Anyway, the pot needs to be 3.26BB against KKKK and 5BB against 8888 (before considering that his hole cards are likely to be low as well).

no i'm not trolling mate. to win at eight or better you dont call to get your money back or lose it all

anyway, i never see quads on board when i got a low draw because i would've folded looking at three of them

You have to see the river no matter what if it's capped on 3rd and you have a live low draw on 4th. It doesn't matter whose money it was, it's in the pot now.

You don't just get your money back, you also get half of what's already in the pot. 2378Q rainbow hits 60% of the time against **KKK. 40% of the time, you lose 2BB. The other 60% of the time, you win 0.5P. 0.6*0.5P = 0.4*2BB -> P = 0.8/0.3 = 2.67BB. The pot needs to be 2.67BB before villain's bet on 5th for you to call down. That's just a few antes, a completion on 3rd and a bet on 4th.

(237 selected as starting hand because I didn't want any backdoor straights or trup aa).