What do you think of c/r 4th in spots like these(stealspot) when were in the top of our range & villain catch good. What would be you´re default on 4th & when would you mix it up & what would be youre consideration to lead or c/r.

6th & beyond im just crying & calling.

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3rd Street: (0.6 SB)
Hero: A K A ___Hero completes
Seat 2: xx xx 9 ____Seat 2 brings in for $6____Seat 2 calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q ____Seat 3 folds

4th Street: (2.6 SB) (2 players)
Hero: A K A J ___Hero checks___Hero raises
Seat 2: xx xx 9 J ____Seat 2 bets____Seat 2 calls

5th Street: (3.3 BB) (2 players)
Hero: A K A J 4 ___Hero checks
Seat 2: xx xx 9 J 9 ____Seat 2 checks

6th Street: (3.3 BB) (2 players)
Hero: A K A J 4 J ___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx 9 J 9 2 ____Seat 2 raises

7th Street: (7.3 BB) (2 players)
Hero: A K A J 4 J T ___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx 9 J 9 2 xx____Seat 2 bets

most villains are betting when checked to on 4th ,so the only question is wether to c/r or not .
i think its optimal ,it looks spazzy and you will get called down alot and if villain improves he might give the free card.im playing 6th&7 the same

its good when he bets. but when he takes one off for free it costs you dearly

What Ray said is obviously true. However, in an online game that is overly agressive, especially shorthanded, when our opponent hits 4th within his door cards range, he'll bet a high portion of the time. In addition, when we have our steal-range, we will be checking 4th often to fold.

+1. Also even if villain "gives" (or takes) a free card on 4th, hero's range is seriously underrepped and he may get value on future streets in spots where he wouldn't if he led 4th.

OP: after he raises on 6th, do you really think you have > 3 outs?

Not so sure about that.

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dead cards: q

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
*s*s, 99+, KQ, QT, t8 ; js9s	53.51%	320,999	170
ac ah jdkd	46.49%	278,831	170

We only gain a percent or so if we include split nines with related kickers. This isn't a great spot for one pair and we shouldn't be shoveling money in. We become a significant favorite if villain bricks the next card, but otherwise we're either flipping or behind.

its good if he is aggressive player and not so good but still okay if he isnt.
anytime he has an open pair or two straight flush cards on fourth you need to rethink all one pair hands on how to play them.

in stud rarely will you give up a bet on any street trying to get value later on except with monsters. especially with a high up card as you will be first to act on most rounds.

The hand range that will continue against us is actually a favorite, so getting a bet in here costs us money. And check-raising is a disaster because we're behind the range but have enough hand to continue, while villain will usually have position and likely know our hand

The stud axiom of not giving free cards with the "best" hand will cost us money here, in that when villain continues he's ahead and we paid him for the privilege. Nothing at all wrong with c/c here.

This is a three-handed, 20/40 mix-game, online. Your range for the opponent is much too small.

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dead cards: q

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
22-KK, *s*s, 8+8+ js9s	42.16%	252,845	194
ac ah jdkd	57.84%	346,961	194

Im quite confused when he raises on 6th to be honest, & I dont rly have a sample how common it is to check 5th for villains in this spot & how likely he is to make something fancy/spazzy on later street.

Most of the collateral made-up equity in this sim comes from the huge number of small pair and 8+8+ combinations, crap like (22-77)9 (8K)9 (8Q)9 (8A)9 that villain never has after he bets and calls our c/r, so we are still playing against a tighter range when we do the tricky thing on Fourth and get action.

Still think check/call is fine on Four.

Your analysis is result oriented. The range is common for such a game when we make the decision to c/r 4th.

If we check raise and get called we just put two bets in behind. If we check/call we get one bet in either slightly ahead or behind. If Fourth checks through then we can read the next street almost perfectly and keep the pot small so betting Fifth gives villain a worse price to draw.

What's wrong with check/calling?

I also don't mind a lead, expecting to get called by a one-pair hand or raised by an aggressive player with a draw, because we can lead again on Fifth, denying him a free card if he doesn't improve.

Check/raising just seems tricky with no benefit.