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Old 08-11-2012, 01:00 PM   #1
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Razz more 3rd street questions

Hey I got a few more questions about 3rd street spots.
I ask questions or make statements on why I play a hand etc. If you disagree with what I am saying please tell me

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Razz $0.25 Ante - 6 players - View hand 1851577
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3rd Street: (0.75 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx T ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 4: xx xx J ____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx Q ____Seat 5 brings in for $1____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 2 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2 ____Seat 7 completes____Seat 7 3-bets
Hero: 8 9 4 ___Hero raises___Hero calls

4th Street: (7.25 SB) (2 players)
Seat 7: xx xx 2 6 ____Seat 7 bets
Hero: 8 9 4 4 ___Hero folds



villain has completed in this spot 3 out of 3 times.
I am ahead of a random range so I feel I need to play may hand.
To not expose that I am weak I 2bet.



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3rd Street: (0.875 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx A ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx K ____Seat 3 brings in for $1
Seat 4: xx xx 6 ____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3 ____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 ____Seat 7 folds
Hero: K 8 6 ___Hero folds

4th Street: (1.875 SB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx K 8 ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3 5 ____Seat 5 bets


here I get a good price on a steal but my hand is absolutely trashy so I fold. What is the minimum requirement to steal here with?
(what hands are automatic steals but borderline?)


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3rd Street: (0.75 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx 3 ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx A ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3 ____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9 ____Seat 6 brings in for $1____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 ____Seat 7 folds
Hero: A 2 7 ___Hero completes



if villian in front of me raises I would just call and 2bet A63, call A65 A64 in this case.


Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Razz $0.25 Ante - 7 players - View hand 1851580
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3rd Street: (0.875 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx 2 ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx 8 ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx K ____Seat 4 brings in for $1
Seat 5: xx xx 8 ____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx Q ____Seat 7 folds
Hero: 7 3 9 ___Hero folds

4th Street: (1.875 SB) (2 players)
Seat 4: xx xx K 3 ____Seat 4 bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8 Q ____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls

5th Street: (1.938 BB) (2 players)
Seat 4: xx xx K 3 9 ____Seat 4 bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8 Q T ____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls

6th Street: (3.938 BB) (2 players)
Seat 4: xx xx K 3 9 K ____Seat 4 bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8 Q T K ____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls

7th Street: (5.938 BB) (2 players)
Seat 4: xx xx K 3 9 K xx____Seat 4 bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8 Q T K xx____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls


I would fold this hand and complete first in if 3 or 7 was showing.
weakest hand I would complete here is 95|7.
Once this guy limps I would call if I was in seat.
I fold AT2 first in this spot.
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:22 PM   #2
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Re: Razz more 3rd street questions

Bump.

OP, I am not an expert Razz player so I will let someone else answer your questions.

Also, stop posting what happened after you made your decision. It tells us nothing about the decision you made as it is now a different hand with a different dynamic.

I hope someone gives you the answers you need.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:20 PM   #3
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Re: Razz more 3rd street questions

All the spots are fine, probably wait to pull trigger in 1st hand until I get to know opp better.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #4
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Re: Razz more 3rd street questions

looks like you arent being too creative and costly so your good. first hand i ditch as a 98 never gets you in a good spot.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:41 PM   #5
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first hand i ditch as a 98 never gets you in a good spot.
what kind of range do you put villain on in a spot like that in the first hand? Do you think you end up in more good spots with a hand like (98)4 instead of a hand like (48)9?
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:22 PM   #6
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i dont care about his range. a 98 plays so bad its tough to make money with it, and when you run into something better and you both improve you get clobbered.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:39 PM   #7
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Re: Razz more 3rd street questions

how can you make a statement "I don't care about his range"? lol...

so if he's raising ATC you don't care? and like SG said i agree 489 plays bad if it's (38)9 but if it's (98)4 it's different. Of course if you run into better and you both improve you get clobbered. That's with any inferior hand.

Now in these low ante games you can probably get away with being a nit but if you routinely fold this hand in shorthanded high ante games against aggro opponents you will get run over...imo
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:27 PM   #8
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there are two dead 2,s out and nothing but the antees and a raiser before you and you have a 98. there is nothing but trouble in this hand. that is what i mean by i dont care about his range. and i would fold this hand in a six handed game with these circumstances and wouldnt be getting run over.
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Old 09-30-2012, 02:49 PM   #9
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ray what's the bottom of your calling range here?
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:26 AM   #10
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how can you make a statement "I don't care about his range"? lol...

so if he's raising ATC you don't care? and like SG said i agree 489 plays bad if it's (38)9 but if it's (98)4 it's different. Of course if you run into better and you both improve you get clobbered. That's with any inferior hand.

Now in these low ante games you can probably get away with being a nit but if you routinely fold this hand in shorthanded high ante games against aggro opponents you will get run over...imo
well said sir. trouble hands may be tough to play, but can still be profitable in the right circumstances.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:21 AM   #11
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Re: Razz more 3rd street questions

if the 9 was showing I would be calling though because now his range is 100%?
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:20 PM   #12
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all this is interesting. as zac says his hand is now 100%. so in reality any nine is good. but in reality nine eights play so badly thru the hand they are close to worthless.
in practice i would want a low three card nine if i was to come in cold here. and i would like it to be hidden and i would reraise. hidden still doesnt mean he has a good hand but it makes it much easier to run him out when scare cards fall best for me.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:43 PM   #13
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Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Razz $0.25 Ante - 7 players - View hand 1851578
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3rd Street: (0.875 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx A ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx K ____Seat 3 brings in for $1
Seat 4: xx xx 6 ____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3 ____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 ____Seat 7 folds
Hero: K 8 6 ___Hero folds

4th Street: (1.875 SB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx K 8 ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3 5 ____Seat 5 bets


here I get a good price on a steal but my hand is absolutely trashy so I fold. What is the minimum requirement to steal here with?
(what hands are automatic steals but borderline?)
I don't think this is a good spot to steal. Seat 5 is probably much more likely to have a hand you would have completed with rather than a hand you would have folded with in the same spot. If you have a read that Seat 5 would complete with a three-card eight and just call with worse hands, that would change things.

So, there are no automatic stealing hands that are opponent-independent here.
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