I manage to get past the bubble in the Horse tourney at the Hard Rock this Monday. I'm short stacked though (as are I think 6 other players at this point) as we're drawing closer to a final table. It's 8 handed and we have 6 players at each table. The blinds are 3,000/6,000 with a 1,000 ante. We're playing Razz. I have 30,500 chips before the hand starts.

I'm trying to remember the other hands but, basically, a Q brings in, an A folds, a 9 folds, an 8 folds, I complete to 3,000 with a 3 with 4/5 under, a 3 to my left calls and the Q folds.

4th Street:
Hero showing 3,5 (2,7)
Villain showing 3,7 (??)
I bet 3,000, he calls.

5th Street:
Hero showing 3,5,Q (2,7)
Villian showing 3,7,K (??)
I bet 6,000, he calls.

6th Street:
Hero showing 3,5,Q,6 (2,7)
Villian showing 3,7,K,5 (??)
I bet 6,000, Villian raises to 12,000.

So at this point, I'm leading on the board but possibly losing to a A/2, A/4, or 2/4 in his hole cards. If I fold I only have 11,500 chips left. The other issue is that the next 3 places don't increase the money, so I have quite a mountain to climb to get back into the tournament with less than two BBs. So I'm either in or out. I go in for the rest of my chips. Villain ended up being ahead with 2/4 and finishes with an A for the wheel to rub the salt in (if I drew the A instead I win with a 6, so that kind of hurt).

Anyway, just wondering if anyone would make that fold on 6th considering the circumstances?

You have some kind of mistake in your HH. First you say that you have (45)3 but in the HH it looks like you start with (27)3?

This is going to be very villain dependent but against anyone remotely agressive I 3bet 6th street. You are supposed to have a very wide range and your board has dictated the action. He might easily believe that you are either bluffing, or that you are value betting something trashy like a made T.

Unless he's either pretty bad or pretty tricky it would be rare for him to flat 3rd st with a hand that beats you now.

Sorry, yeah. I had 2,7 under. I'm not sure where the 4,5 came from. Weird.

And yes, I 3 bet 6th but that was for all of my remaining chips.

And I didn't mention, he started the hand with about twice as many chips as I did. When he raised me on 6th and then called my 3bet he was down to about 5BBs left.

Regarding his flat on 3rd: he was probably just pretty bad, I guess. It was a $300 buy-in tournament so I guess that's to be expected. I'm not second guessing myself here, even if players think I should have just folded. Just wondering if I'm taking a contrary line there, rather than holding onto a chip-and-a-chair of 2BBs.

Did you see the videos of the $10K razz WSOP? Most of them weren't raising completes in steal position when they had 3 wheel cards.

Think you have to call down though. Wouldn't 3-bet 6th.

I did not, no.

If raising 6th puts OP all in then he might as well? Anything that beats him bets 7th and he can't fold. So by calling and checking river all he does is lose an extra when he loses and not gain an extra when he wins.

I didn't see the videos, no.

If he was following that same line of thinking though, I guess it makes sense that he raised me on 6th since he knew I likely wouldn't be able to fold at that point. If he raises me on 4th or 5th it's a lot easier for me to get away from the hand and try to take a last stand elsewhere.

Agreed, this is a $300 HORSE tournament in Florida, statistically there's a good chance Villlain plays less than 100 hands of Razz per year and isn't raising anywhere without a board lock, I can't factor the steal dynamics in much without a read that he's savvy. Can't see folding being correct though.

Exactly. Once OP has bet 6th he has to shove over the raise. If you want to try ladder up with a short stack, don't lead 6th imo.

I freely admit that I've played one live razz tourney in my life (WSOP) and not that many online, so yeah, you're going to have to go with table reads. In a cash game 6th is the easiest raise ever except against players that I know very well.

Shouldn't I have stopped betting on 5th street in that case? Villain is already showing he has a playable hand after he calls 4th and I'd still have 4BB left if we both check it down (not that he would have in this case, but in general).

I think the only way he's folding is if I hit a wheel card on 5th instead of getting a Q.

Villain can still have a pretty wide range on 5th st, including possibly a split pair of 7s. You might get some folds on 5th but almost certainly will get value vs. his range. Once he calls 5th it narrows his range significantly.