Hey, second spot of the day.

This is one of those multiway pots which are still way confusing for me. I don't really know how to tackle analysing these just yet. At least I'm quite sure raw equity is of bad guidance here

1$ games is taking shots for me as of yet, so reads are limited.
Seat 1 and 3 are regs. Among better once at those stakes.
Seat 4 is on the passive side of things. Doesn't raise much and sometimes calls too wide on 5th.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Razz $0.08 Ante - 8 players - View hand 2581740
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3rd Street: (1.28 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 ____Seat 1 raises____Seat 1 calls
Seat 2: xx xx 9 ____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx A ____Seat 3 3-bets____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A ____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx K ____Seat 5 brings in for $0.20____Seat 5 folds
Hero: 2 A 5 ___Hero completes___Hero caps!
Seat 7: xx xx Q ____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7 ____Seat 8 calls____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (18.68 SB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 5 ____Seat 1 bets____Seat 1 3-bets____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A 7 ____Seat 3 raises____Seat 3 caps!
Seat 4: xx xx A 9 ____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Hero: 2 A 5 T ___Hero calls___Hero calls

5th Street: (17.34 BB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 5 4 ____Seat 1 checks
Seat 3: xx xx A 7 K ____Seat 3 checks
Seat 4: xx xx A 9 6 ____Seat 4 checks
Hero: 2 A 5 T T ___Hero checks

6th Street: (17.34 BB) (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 5 4 3 ____Seat 1 bets
Seat 3: xx xx A 7 K J ____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx A 9 6 T ____Seat 4 checks____Seat 4 calls
Hero: 2 A 5 T T K ___Hero checks___Hero folds

7th Street: (20.34 BB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 5 4 3 xx____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx A 7 K J xx____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx A 9 6 T xx____Seat 4 bets all in

Is there any point in putting 2$ into the pot for me on 4th when I'm likely to be in worst or second worst shape?
I think Seat 1 and 3 are very likely to 4bet (3bet? I tend to mix that up) and cap if they are sitting on a 4 card draw each.

How do I tackle a spot like this? Any good way to work out a critical potsize for such spots? Do I stick to: Just fold if you got the worst hand in a multiway pot?

Cheers!

Folding 4th st is literally impossible. Absolutely worst case scenario you're getting like 30:4 or 7.5:1 and you just can not be in that bad of shape.

+1 SG Special is probably too busy taking valium after reading this to respond.....with the 5 hitting another player as well (which is good for you); you MUST NOT fold ever...

Plus, three 4s, four 3's and four 6s are live. Of cards that pair you, two aces and one five are dead. Your dream cards are in the deck, awaiting the chance to light up your life.

The other boards mean you are not in bad shape. You shouldn't fold 4th street. If you haven't already, go to the ProPokerTools razz simulator and experiment with pairing and non-pairing dead cards.

Well you've certainly taken the right first step toward tackling spots like this: asking the right questions. To give you the short answers:

- You can't really work out a critical pot size for spots like this because in order to make a good estimate of the critical size you have to be able to make good predictions about future actions based on the way the cards may fall on future streets. There are way too many variables here to feel confident about doing that.

- In general, yes you should fold the worst hand in a multiway pot when there is a lot of action. The mitigating factors here are that the pot is already huge, seat 4 may have a rough-ish hand based on 3rd st and may be in about as bad a shape as you are, and seat 1 may have bet even if he paired.

You probably have enough equity based on immediate odds to call here even if it's going to be capped, but you must be willing/able to take advantage of your implied odds on 5th if you catch good in order to make it worth the risk.

Thanks people, all of this makes a lot of sense.

Could you elaborate just a little? I guess that involves putting in some raises on 5th against rough hands if I improve?

Great point. I assume I can rule that out after his 3bet on 4th though?

Honestly; depends on who it is. More likely than not that he has not paired but not for certain.....I'm sure you know some of the players at that level have an 'interesting' approach to play (and money)

It depends on the level and the lineup. If it is a game where players can be forced off of hands, then it would make sense to keep pushing with a pair and a good board.

Also, if you have a read on how tight the player is, remember that the tighter the player, the higher the probability that a 'good' 4th street card pairs a down card.

Yes, exactly. Those few times when you catch a wheel draw (or maybe a 6 draw) can be very profitable if your opponents brick or catch rough cards like an 8 or 9. Even if you only have 35% equity in spots like that, you can earn as much EV on each bet as when you're a 70/30 favorite in a HU pot.
Great question. In some games this is true, but I'll defer to Judice in this case as he plays these stakes regularly IIRC.