Rolled 222 vs multi-way action at a low stakes (0.25/0.50) stud hi table. Multiple aggressive opponents who love to raise any draw etc.

Whats the best line on 3rd?
4th if no one pairs door + you brick
4th if someone pairs doorcard?

Rolled up deuces are so rare that re-raising will look more like AA2, KK2 etc but is it more profitable to call and hope to make a boat/quads/hold up (ya right on jokerstars) vs that many opponents? A re-raise wouldn't thin the field much in that spot vs those aggros

PokerStars Hand #81656976616: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/06/08 0:53:20 PT [2012/06/08 3:53:20 ET]
Table 'Lomia VIII' 8-max
Seat 1: Ilnamar ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 2: murillo57 ($26.54 in chips)
Seat 4: ANDI6666612 ($4.54 in chips)
Seat 5: Riribabaying ($8.43 in chips)
Seat 6: Rëaper4²1 ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 7: arti-net ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 8: shaechka ($10.73 in chips)
Ilnamar: posts the ante $0.05
murillo57: posts the ante $0.05
ANDI6666612: posts the ante $0.05
Riribabaying: posts the ante $0.05
Rëaper4²1: posts the ante $0.05
arti-net: posts the ante $0.05
shaechka: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Ilnamar [Ah]
Dealt to murillo57 [Qs]
Dealt to ANDI6666612 [Jc]
Dealt to Riribabaying [5s]
Dealt to Rëaper4²1 [2s 2c 2d]
Dealt to arti-net [Ad]
Dealt to shaechka [9d]
Rusty3081 leaves the table
Rëaper4²1: brings in for $0.10
arti-net: calls $0.10
shaechka: calls $0.10
Ilnamar: folds
murillo57: calls $0.10
ANDI6666612: raises $0.15 to $0.25
Riribabaying: calls $0.25
Rëaper4²1: ...?

Lol just got that exact hand (almost same situation) again and took the exact opposite approach from last time.

Well the table dynamics as you have mentioned are on the loose side, you can do either of the following:

1. Flat and invite other players in the pot and get outdrawn.
even though you are rolled up it's still bottom trips 222 and in a 4+ multi way pot to see 4th and 5th is only asking for trouble..imho

2. Fist pump jam the pot/cap betting to "try" and thin the field to get it either HU or 3way. But even then your opponents will be like "wtf capping with a 2 window card" and totally catch them of guard.

3. If the pot gets 3way for 4th and 5th and there is no possible made straights or flushes bet and jam every street as you'll most likely get a player to chase to try and draw out on 2 pair(because pot odds/implied odds/no fold button tell them to chase ) or get action from worse hands that have 18%+ equity.

4. If you've got called down from 4th to 6th street, 7th street will be a tricky spot if you do not fill up to a boat and you are staring at a possible flush draw that could have completed aswell straight draws, pair turning in to higher trips etc.. if you bet 7th and get 3bet consider just flat calling as you can save a bet if the opponent got there with their draw.


Hope this helps

Thanks for the reply. Im still curious though, if you were almost 100% sure that it would be 5 or 6 way action (xx5 already called the complete and the only guy I thought might fold was the xx9) is it still better/more profitable to re-raise there or try and improve and start raising/reraising later when the bets are double and your hand is very disguised.

Probably a stupid question, just fistpump and jam it in

In general vs a loose table you want to pour money in the pot with a rolled hand, small trips especially because your door won't be threatening and your hand is more vulnerable. With big trips you can consider playing it slower to avoid losing players, but at a loose table you usually do better by playing them fast.

You are going to get action from hands with very little equity and paid off from worse made hands. If you do stumble into a bigger made hand on Fifth you have a huge draw (often 7 outs on Sixth and 10+ outs for the river card) and you're never in bad shape unless you see bigger trips on board.

If you get a rolled hand beat, you should lose a bunch of money. Nothing complicated about that. But they don't get beat as often as they scoop, so unless you're pretty sure you're beat you should just jam.

I guess that is the most logical way to look at it. No need to be tricky vs aggros either, thanks for the replies

Against a villain who is obviously on a draw, why bet 7th at all? When villain misses, if you bet, villain folds, so betting was pointless. But if you check, villain might bluff and you win an extra bet. When villain hits her draw, you bet then get raised, so you lose 2 bets instead of one. Betting is really bad in that spot most of the time. There are some exceptions; if you had say 2 8 showing on fourth, then caught non-diamond cards and villain might put you on a missed draw, then betting seventh might make sense for value since someone might call with a pair of 9s or something. But if you started with 2 7 on fourth, there's no non-value hand you can be betting on seventh if you played fast the whole way. Up against a 2-pair kind of hand it's a different story since then we have a clear value bet on the end.

As for OP's original question, in the Sklansky/Zee Advanced Stud book, they recommend playing low rolled trips fast. That advice is, however, intended for games against good players. I weigh a few considerations before deciding whether to play fast or slow. I definitely don't want to win the pot early, so if everyone will fold, I won't play fast. And if players will put me on 222 or 2AA if I play fast, that's another reason to wait until fifth to speed up, when the bets get big and people get tied onto their hands. If I'm playing with a bunch of drunk apes who will just call or raise no matter what they have or what I appear to have, I guess I'd just try to get every bet in the pot I can though.

I raise to thin the field. I don't think too many players are thinking about your hand. I would say that your best aurgument for not raising on 3rd or 4th is to keep the pot small so that you have greater fold equity on later streets when the bets get bigger. Still, ramming and jamming is prolly the way to go.

with multiway you are going to jam on every street until you believe you are beat by higher trips or a full.