Thanks for the tips...

Online I've logged quit a few stud hours. Live I've logged bar far more 2/4 hold'em and 1/2NLHE than stud, but I did log a total of probably 10 hours of live stud between 1-3 (for a breif 2 hour stint to get into live stud) and 1-5 for the rest.

Perhaps I'll put my name on both lists on Friday (should be having the day off) and see which I hit first and if I don't like how its going, move to the other table (either move up or down)

I knew someone was going to let loose a zinger on his post, and I was hoping it would be you.

It seemed to me the fruit was hung low on purpose. Collusion suspected.

That's what I thought. I was tossing around the idea of using "soluble dietary fiber," but note how "metamusel" captures the whole thing with one word.

I know its a long ways off but during June Golden Nugget casino in vegas will run a series with 3 230 dollar buy-in s/8 events.

This is not meant to be spam, I am posting this because its not easy finding s/8 events during the year.

I will probably play if my time lines up well

I've been playing in that 4/8 hi/lo game for the past few months and it's pretty good. The game typically goes around 2 in the afternoon during the week. It used to be filled with house players but as of last week the management has put in a new policy of no house players for this game. I was there on Monday playing the nooner tournament and the 4/8 was filled at up with a few names on the board so that policy hasn't hurt it.

The drop is only $3 +1 for a full table so it's a good deal too. I've times it and we get in between 25 - 30 hands per hour. The players are a real mix of aggressive to weak. It's not too hard to walk away with a 2 rack profit if you play well and are willing to put in the time to wait for those streaks when you scoop big pots.

Does anyone know anywhere in the USA where stud8 is spread in a casino on a regular basis? (not two-way, or HORSE, etc. - just straight stud8)

I'm trying to figure out where we can go on vacation this year, so I figured why not combine a vacation (visiting a new city/seeing a new part of the country) with some poker as well?

Please don't respond with something like: "Why don't you take your wife on a nice vacation where she wants to go and forget about poker for a week?"

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

P.S. I wouldn't be upset if there was some nice fresh-water fishing in the area as well with some large-mouth bass!
- Marty

So Pennsylvania finally decided to join the 21st century and approve table games, including poker, at its casinos. The gaming control board just put out its first cut at the rules for allowable poker games and, shockingly, razz isn't on the list.

So of course now I have to petition them to include it. I plan on noting that razz is allowed in pretty much every other state that allows poker, except in NJ where it's on the way thanks to the Borg's recent petition. I'll provide them with links to official rules of the game as listed on some B&M casino websites. (apparently in cali each casino has its own rulebook of games it can spread!) I will also stress that it's a part of many popular mixed games.

Anything else worth mentioning to get 'er done?

You could explain that generic poker games have a draw variant and a stud variant, and that Razz is just the stud variant of lowball, which they probably allow in its draw form.

Stud8 is spread regularly at The Bike in LA. It's 4/8 no kill. The game usually starts around 2pm when Tim, who is the Floorman who got management to agree to spread it arrives.

If you want to speak with him about it shoot me a PM and I'll give you his contact info.

I'm really hoping that Parx/Philly Park will spread some stud games. It'll shave off 25 min. of my drive to AC.

If they do...let's hope they DO NOT follow the ol' AC/Taj model and spread $1-5, 5/10, 10/20, etc.

I'd like to see 3/6 or 4/8, 6/12, 15/30, etc. AND a regular stud h/l only game.
Stud games need something different than the status quo. If there's a bunch of ol' timers that insist on 1-5, they should at least add a .25 or .50 ante.

We'll see what happens, but with the state of stud in AC declining the past few years...I'm not holding my breath or anything.

I'm reasonably sure that razz isn't legal in Minnesota. I think I like it that way.

i remember playing it at Canterbury Park ($30/60) but that was a good six years ago, maybe longer. if you can't find great fishing there....come on!!!

they spread it in cali (i think at hollywood park)----my friend used to play in it regularly and i think it's spread at $20/40 w/a kill.

just get on the phone and start making some calls to the bigger poker rooms (cause you know the little joints ain't gonna be spreading it). i would start w/california---hollywood park, the bike, commerce.

$30/60 stud/8 went daily for a while back in 2002. Those were the days. In late 2004/early 2005, it went on Thursdays for a while. Apart from that, it only goes during the Fall Classic, and there only sporadically. I was the only name on the list the one day I made it down during the tournament in 2008. I was out of circulation during 2007. I believe it went three times during 2006.

$6/12 stud/8 used to go every Friday night, but a certain amount of that action has moved underground, and some of the regulars have decided they don't like CP anymore. I don't know if it still goes or not.

Anyway, I don't think I'd recommend a stud/8 trip to Minnesota. Fishing isn't my thing, but there seems to be a certain amount of it around here.

They do allow lowball draw, as well as omaha hi/lo, stud 8, and stud hi/lo no qual (not declare, sorry). So the definitions of what makes the best low hand are already included in the rules.

Not for me to intrude, but I thought the US was the land of small government? It hardly seems libertarian to decide that people can play poker but then meddle in what games they can and cannot play. It is defying common sense to say that you cannot play 4/8 razz but people can sit in Bobby's Room and play 1k/2k PLOmahahahahahaha. Surely any right thinking public official could see that the current regulations as SG describes them are nonsense. They just need someone to demonstrate it to them.

No, no, no--you're confusing the talk with the walk. Plus, this nation was founded by Puritan Ideals, it's what makes us great.

You've used "right thinking" and "public official" in the same sentence. Doesn't say much for the educational system across the pond. And if we didn't have regulations, what would regulators do to feed themselves? Sheesh.

Forgot I was going to say something about all this.

The $1-3 game almost has to be beatable because of the atrociousness of the players. Whether it's worthwhile to try is another matter.

$5/10 has a $.50 ante and $2 bring-in. $10/20 has a $1 ante and $3 bring-in. Anyway, $200 would be OK for a session bankroll for $5/10 if you play at all decently, but $300 would be a lot better. You don't start seeing decent competition until about $20/40, and even there you should be able to find a good game.

Don't play roulette.

WV will have poker at charleston races and slots in 3Q10 I guess. 1 hour from DC!!

on Foxwoods, continued....

I agree with the $300 for $5/10. $200 is enough I guess, but you never know with chasers. I was there today, and it seemed as though there were fewer $1-3 tables and they were adding $5/10 tables. I've seen a number of the $1-5 players move up to $5/10, and $5/10 players move up to $10/20. So maybe this is good news? The usual $75/150 was running too. Man, I'm getting really sick of the sunglasses-sweatshirt-casanova thing. Fortunately, Foxwoods stud is appears immune to this fashion trend.

Did you play 5/10 today? Just got back from playing it there.

That's why I refuse to play $1/2 NLHE, too many poker "experts" for my liking.

So is Taj in AC. The only game that's dying is $1-5. The other stud games
(5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 40/80) are still doing well.

I played 1-5 on Sat. I waited so long for a 5/10 table on my previous visit that I didn't even bother getting on the list. So, of course new 5/10 tables sprouted like weeds. The 1-5 tables were unusually passive. Lots of people betting on dogs and preoccupied in general with other stuff. I really was there to get my points and a cheesecake from Juniors . Had a good time.

Oh, and this was in the MTT section, but anyway....


Mohegan Sun NAPT thingie...
WED 3/31 5:00 PM 12 Seven Card Stud (HI Only) $270 + $30 8,000/30 Min

I saw that, but due to scheduling I think I'm going to play the FW event. I got there at about 3PM this past Saturday and it was open seating on 1-5, played for 5 mins then my name was called for 5/10. Sat at the must move table for about 20 minutes until the table broke and had to wait for a seat in the main game. Was about a 30 min wait to get on the main game and after that we were turning over a seat about every 30 minutes.

Greetings friends......

I am making the annual trek to AC next week (Thurs.-Sun.) and was wondering if anyone can tell me the current state of these stud and split games? I am wondering if they are still going regularly at Taj and Borgata and what the players are like in general. Last year The Borgata game was disappointingly O8 only with a long list and I like both games. I am really interested in the 15-30-45 at Taj but not if it is a local pals shark tank.....any thoughts? Also any thoughts on current stud hi 10-20 vs. 20-40 at the Taj?? Thanks for any input......