I have heard a lot of people mention mistakes in "Sklansky on Razz", usually when I am rusty at Razz I use this book to freshen up. I am always curious what "mistakes" I am re-learning. Anyone have a list or a link to someone discussing this topic?

I know some of the 4th and 5th street stuff might be too tight because of the small ante stuff, wondering if any of you new schoolers could help me with specific concepts or scenarios tho.

Thanks for reading!

There are some arithmetic mistakes, mostly, and some of them lead to some strategic mistakes. I have some notes in my copy but nothing on me in particular. SGSpecial has written a fair amount about it.

I've found quite a few combing thru the text over the years, and have mentioned some in this forum. I have also published several articles in the 2+2 magazine correcting mistaken strategic advice in Sklansky on Razz. The articles were all peer reviewed, and of course I'd expect the 2p2 guys would have pointed out any errors in them before publishing them. I have another article coming out in next month's edition, but sadly it doesn't deal with anything in SOR. If you have a specific question, I'll try to answer it tho and would be willing to send you one of my old articles if it pertains.

These old articles are not archived anywhere? I have read some of them for sure, would love to be refreshed. Not sure it have super specific questions

if you have a copy of the article detailing the mistakes in SOR I'd love to see. I combed through it the 2 days before the wsop razz event. even though I had a decent finish I was criticized at my table for two plays. One was by shawn sheikan so I dgaff but still made me think about some spots.

There were several articles, each dealing with a particular point so if you have a specific spot or street in mind let me know and pm me. If you remember the details of WSOP razz hands you have questions about, I'm sure most posters in here (including me) would like to see them.

How old are said articles? Where do I find such?

interested in those articles as well!! any chance of republishing somewhere??

Can we do a search on the site somewhere??

Well here's the scoop. The articles were published in the 2p2 magazine, which is associated with this forum but a separate deal in that 2p2 publishing manages its content. Articles are archived for 6 mos and then removed with the rights to them reverting to the author. 5 of the many articles I've published have refuted claims from examples in SOR, but all are over 6 months old (in fact one is over 6 years old!). So I have the rights to them still, but have always been willing to share one of them for free with interested players.

I've decided from now on the one I will send out for free is the one entitled "Calculating the Critical Pot Size in Razz." Please PM me if you'd like a copy. All I ask is for you to tell me a bit about yourself and your experience or interest in razz, and that you use the article only for your personal use.

Unfortunately 2+2 articles disappear after a few months. They may be available on the wayback machine or archive.org or something. SG may have them around somewhere and may want to distribute them (if you do, I'd be happy to host them somewhere) or he may not. I wrote an article for 2+2 once and I'd be a little surprised if I could find the original text now.

Hi Rusty:

I think "unfortunately" is a poor word choice. We return all rights to our magazine authors after six months and this is done to protect our authors since strategic articles can have additional value for future books, etc. Also, as far as I can tell, no other site does this.

Best wishes,
Mason

I didn't mean it to be disparaging. But it can be a bit unfortunate for readers, since back issues of articles are often things people are interested in and can't get without contacting the authors directly.

I agree, this is a very good policy and I don't know of any other site that does this either. It's one of the plusses/minuses of the online format. Since I'm willing to share my article on the critical pot size with all who request it, maybe I'll save everyone (except Rusty) some effort and take Rusty up on his offer to host that one on his site. Then it will be available until his server melts from all the increased traffic

Hi Rusty:

While what you say is true, and it's something we thought about a lot, our conclusion was to protect our authors.

Best wishes,
Mason

Sure, and I have no problem with that decision.

What mistakes are we talking about?

>sound of SGspecial cracking knuckles and spitting on palms<

Hi David,

Thanks for weighing in on this discussion. There are several that I've noted, but the one that I cited in my article introducing the concept of a "critical pot size" is from example 17 in the razz problems section. In the example, the players have the following hands:

Hero: (54)3JQK
Villain: (xx)3TKQ

You say that when Villain bets, Hero should fold unless there's a lot of money in the pot or unless Hero won't have to call a bet on 7th with a Jack low if he hits.

The closer to GTO the Villain plays on the river, the more money there needs to be in the pot to make a sixth street call correct. However I agree that even if he plays perfectly there still does not need to be a lot of money in the pot for a call to be correct.

Ok, how large do you figure the pot would need to be prior to the 6th st action? Let's assume Hero will call 7th at GTO frequency when he makes his Jack (so that he's indifferent to Villain's bluffing frequency).

Bump?

Bump again. Would be cool to have some back and forth discussion with David on this if he is willing

It simple math. I'm guessing I did it for a king drawing to a queen against a queen drawing to a jack and then remembered it wrong when I wrote it down.

Ok, so how would that affect your follow up claim that drawing to a Ten vs. a J9 low would be borderline? Does your math show that drawing to a Jack (as in the example) is borderline? And were you assuming a single bet on each previous street?