Commerce 30/60 game. Two somewhat similar situations.
Hand 1. 4 way action.
Don't remember all the cards, but it does not matter much for the question.
I am in seat 7 with A 7 7. My cards are live. Seat 8 has King door. Kings are live. Seats 1 and 2 are chasing drawing hands. On third everyone limps to the King who raises. Kings are live and I give him credit for the Kings or a pocket pair. But I am pretty sure he has the split kings. The rest of us call. No one improves much on fourth. King leads out on fourth and we all call. On fifth, the King now has a pair of fours up. Drawing hands still don't look that great. He bets and the rest of us call.
Then on sixth, everyone shows no obvious improvement, but I catch an Ace for aces up. Aces are fully live. King lead out. Seats 1 and 2 call. I raise. Everyone calls. Seat 8 mumbles something about aces helping me. I say, Ya, a little bit.
On the river, everyone checks to me and I bet. The King door is muttering again about aces up and eventually folds. So does everyone else.
My question is. Does ANYONE here fold kings up in that spot? I wouldn't, but at Commerce I see quite a few river folds that I would never make.
Second Hand - Heads up vs Seat 2 who was in the previous hand maybe ten minutes earlier.
I have J A A. One jack dead. Villain had Eight door. I raise third and he calls. We are heads up. On fourth I catch a Jack for Aces up. He catches a King. I bet. He calls. Nothing new on fifth, but his hand sure looks like he is calling with a pair. I bet and he calls. On sixth, he catches open Kings. I catch an irrelevant card. He bets. I raise. He calls. He folds to my river bet after he checks to me. Same question. Does anyone with Kings up find a fold there?
First hand, he probably doesn't have Kings-up. In either case I could fold it vs certain players since the only thing you're repping that doesn't beat Kings-up would be a free-showdown play with some modest two-pair hand or naked Aces, and you didn't take the free showdown.
1st hand: I fold the first hand pretty easily since it was raised on 6th in a 4 way pot. I'm pretty sure he had kings up. The only way I can see he didn't was if he a 4 flush and thus might have just kept on betting because he had a 4 flush and a pair.
2nd hand: I'm a lot more likely to call since it's headsup. I probably call most somewhat aggressive or any player that have showed to do something odd in the past.
On the first hand I would have raised 3rd as I might even prefer to be reraised by the King and play headsup.
Not knowing what the seating was it's hard to say for sure but if you have a chance to knock anybody out then you should definitely raise the (A7)7 if you're going to play. If you're on the end then no, you can't get many people to fold Third once they've put in the first bet.
Not knowing what the seating was it's hard to say for sure but if you have a chance to knock anybody out then you should definitely raise the (A7)7 if you're going to play. If you're on the end then no, you can't get many people to fold Third once they've put in the first bet.
yeah agree
Rereading it I'm confused about the action now. I thought it was two limps and then the king was behind you who hadn't acted yet.
Rereading it I'm confused about the action now. I thought it was two limps and then the king was behind you who hadn't acted yet.
Yes, there were two limpers in front of me. I was second last to act. The pot was three way with me limping. With the way the table was playing, there was no way I was getting those two to fold. I thought about raising third, but figured I was better off not tying people into a big pot on third.
EDIT. now i see the confusion. I made a mistake in the description of hand 1. The limpers were in seats 2 and 3. Seat 1 was bring in, who folded after the King raised. Sorry about that.
Not knowing what the seating was it's hard to say for sure but if you have a chance to knock anybody out then you should definitely raise the (A7)7 if you're going to play. If you're on the end then no, you can't get many people to fold Third once they've put in the first bet.
I hate agreeing with this ****er. Fifth also might because fold depending on the exact cards.
Yes, there were two limpers in front of me. I was second last to act. The pot was three way with me limping. With the way the table was playing, there was no way I was getting those two to fold. I thought about raising third, but figured I was better off not tying people into a big pot on third.
EDIT. now i see the confusion. I made a mistake in the description of hand 1. The limpers were in seats 2 and 3. Seat 1 was bring in, who folded after the King raised. Sorry about that.
Fifth also might because fold depending on the exact cards.
Yeah, I thought 5th might be close to a fold because chance winning with two small pair is gone. But the other players are adding money to the pot, you are closing the action, and your relative position is good. Of course the obvious downside is that everyone is drawing to better hands than you.
Yes, there were two limpers in front of me. I was second last to act. The pot was three way with me limping. With the way the table was playing, there was no way I was getting those two to fold. I thought about raising third, but figured I was better off not tying people into a big pot on third.
EDIT. now i see the confusion. I made a mistake in the description of hand 1. The limpers were in seats 2 and 3. Seat 1 was bring in, who folded after the King raised. Sorry about that.
Yeah, if all of my cards are live (and maybe I'm two suited?) I think I raise even if I know the other two guys are calling. The King reraising doesn't hurt me because that would probably knock the other two out.
I don't make it past 5th for sure with split 7's against kings up. and two drawing hands.
I think i'd compete after two limps even with the king behind me. He might fold k(55) or something instead of competing after you and making it difficult for you to play the hand. Maybe that's a nitty interpretation though so wtf do I know?
Last edited by prototypepariah; 09-09-2014 at 04:03 AM.
0. put the name of the game in the title of the thread.
1. Raise 3rd w/the A7/7
2. NEVER say this: " I say, Ya, a little bit." or anything for that matter.
3. "My question is. Does ANYONE here fold kings up in that spot?" probably not in that spot.
4. "Does anyone with Kings up find a fold there?" Maybe, the pot is smaller and played a bit different.
0. put the name of the game in the title of the thread.
1. Raise 3rd w/the A7/7
2. NEVER say this: " I say, Ya, a little bit." or anything for that matter.
3. "My question is. Does ANYONE here fold kings up in that spot?" probably not in that spot.
4. "Does anyone with Kings up find a fold there?" Maybe, the pot is smaller and played a bit different.
Only the very rare experienced player ever helps a situation by that kind of chat. I am way too out of it to meta game chit chat like that so I usually just stare into the middle distance and think about baseball (this works for other things also).
If you are acting last on third and bet, and then the open K acts you are giving him a chance to raise. You might be able to get the limpers out if they are facing 2 SBs? I may have read through this too quickly and not gotten the order of action correct.
Only the very rare experienced player ever helps a situation by that kind of chat. I am way too out of it to meta game chit chat like that so I usually just stare into the middle distance and think about baseball (this works for other things also).
If you are acting last on third and bet, and then the open K acts you are giving him a chance to raise. You might be able to get the limpers out if they are facing 2 SBs? I may have read through this too quickly and not gotten the order of action correct.
