Live hand so will remember it the best I can...

Don't remember all the dead cards, but I know there were no other 8s, Ks, 9s, or aces out.

Reads: Guy with the 9 on my left is a pretty solid aggressive player, doesn't bluff often. Guy with the ace is about 90 years old. Not much read on him other than he doesn't really understand the game - constantly tries to make bets like $55 and doesn't understand why he can't. Haven't really seen him show down anything weird though.

2d brings in for minimum, 4 folds to me with a 9 and A after me, only two people left.


I complete with [8K]8, [xx]9 raises, [xx]A calls, I call.

[8K]8A
[xx]9Q
[xx]A2

I check, 9Q bets, call, call

[8K]8AA
[xx]9Q4
[xx]A27

I bet with the open aces, 9 folds, A27 calls

[8K]8AAQ
[xx]A279 - 9 completes the rainbow

What do you do here ?

And 7th:

I don't understand the question. Bet.

"Guy who doesn't understand the game" is a good enough reason to think you're ahead. Bet the river.

Didn't look at the spoiler, but this sure sounds like a "he had wired 2s" bad beat story in which hero value-towned himself.

Bet straight through.

Yea thought it was a pretty easy bet through, my friend thought I was out of my mind though and convinced me to post this.

Thanks

Results:

I think it's obviously true that it's a bet up until 6th, hopefully your friend doesn't disagree with that.

For 7th, there are a few questions.

1. Will he call with worse? You really ought to know this, because it's the same question you should be asking yourself if you whiffed and just have bare aces. You need to know whether a 7th street bluff would work.

2. What will he do if you check? I think he'll probably valuebet any hand that beats aces up. He may bluff a worse hand. He might check the *actual* hand he had here but that is about it in terms of hands that beat you.

3. What will you do if you check and he bets? The answer had better be "call"

4. What will you do if you bet and he raises. This is a very tough one. Against an opponent who is not very good I miiiiiight fold. Maybe. Or at least I'd think I should fold while I called.


So to wrap it up, you should only get called by 2pr or better on the river. Based on his board he's drawing to all smaller 2 pairs, so you'll only get beaten by the unlucky times he trips up. That points to a value bet.

If you check and he bets you're going to call. If he checks that means you're beating him anyway so a bet is only very rarely going to cost you money - only when you bet and he raises are you really in a position where you could lose money by betting.

I could really only justify checking 7th if you really thought he'd bluff almost his entire range when checked to - this might be better than betting because he'll obviously fold all his misses when you bet. If he misses more than 50% of the time, but always bluffs his misses, then you make more by checking.

If you play a guy who will call through with a huge range bet 7th. Don't wrap yourself around an axel. He didn't raise 7th did he? Because of course he didn't.

EDIT: I didn't bother to read Rusty's much better post before posting this, because I am an ass. But everything he says there is the sophisticated version of what I said above. The only way I could get more value is if I thought I could come up with a very good answer between 2 and 3. I would rather just bet.

7th is such an ez bet. from the descriptions, it sounds like villain will never raise either, so the decision leans even closer to a bet even though it already is. ur friend is the one out of his/her mind and being result oriented.

Question from a newbie:
Let's assume opp has (A6)A, and our image is rather loose, so we could have 3 to a straight or flush, or hands like (55)8. Is his play correct or not?

Is this a right simulation?

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

dead cards: 249Q

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
As6 / Ac27	16.62%	99,511	454
RR, 8*, ss, T9,97,76 / 8sAdAh	83.38%	500,035	454

what should villain be bluffing with here? he has no missed draws in his range at all, he has two pair or trips almost all the time. given that he will have a lot more two pair hero should bet here imo, because villain might check his two pair behind but will definetly pay us off if he has two pair and called us all the way to 7th. also i highly doubt anyone will bluff vs an open pair of aces. checking is very bad here imo, because villain will most likely only bet if he has aces up beat

you will bet this hand out almost against anybody all of the time. even against what looks like a draw against a non bluffer.

I would bet it and check the river, he could have (34)A2 and betting hard going for the straight.

you always bet this as many more times than you are beat you get called by a worse two pair. and many times if he had trips he doesnt raise anyway but will bet if you check.
the worse play in this hand would be a check on the river here.

plus just seeing you check this hand on the river all the players instantly learn that you are always basically playing it safe and dont bet for thin value and will play accordingly against you.