So it has been years since I posted here.. So much so, I forgot my friggin user name and of course the email I use is not in the system. So here is my new handle. I bet AndyB remembers me from the days before we had our own stud forum..

Anywhoo, I rarely get to play much anymore due to work committments, but I occassionly get to go have some fun.

My skills aren't what they used to be, so I actually don't have super memory of all the card /suits etc. ..but you will get the idea.

Players are your average 10-20 group. NO yahoo's (at least in this hand) and I like to think I had a reasonable image.

3rd Street
I am forced low with 3 club showing with red pocket rockets underneath.

a 10 completes to $10
a Queen makes it $20
folded back to me - I just call
10 makes it $30
Queen calls
I call

4th Street

10 catched Q
Q catched 10
I pair my doorcard with a 3

I am high and bet the double bet.
goes Raise and Re-Raise back to me...

What do I do?

Looks like a call down and lose scenario, but the pot is big enough that you can draw to fill, because this is about the best implied odds position ever, with a guaranteed multi-way c/r or bet/3bet available. Once we get to the river I'm probably showing this down UI against most opponents on the off chance dude is just going bananas with KK or the other AA.

Are you just flatting for some sort of deception? We only lose to QQ or TT ith from either of them and I feel like capping 4th.

Dude is very transparently repping rolled Tens. Any more action once he's made his point is spewy.

it looks like the Q put in the last raise?

Not sure I agree 100 percent with your policework there. We are facing two cold in jeopardy with the Ten behind us, and the Ten already raised our paired door.

When we cold call 2 bets on 3rd, what kind of range do you think our opponents are giving us?

He says the players in the hand are reasonable non spewtards. I think someone has trips. I basically concur with electrical here. I don't think I could let go of the hand, but wouldn't be too thrilled unless I filled up.

seems to me our hand is extremely underrepped, and the fact that they each caught the other's card on 4th reduces their chances of having QQ/TT ith.

But it also doesn't seem like they're scared of you having trip 3s...were there any 3s out on 3rd?

Hello All,

All the cards were live on third... (no other 10's ,queens, 3's etc)

To answer a few posters questions...

While the other players weren't loons..they weren't particularly spectacular. I knew they had decent starting hands. I didn't re-raise 3rd because I knew,even forcing the 10 to call 2 bets cold, he wouldn'd fold. Typical of players that won't release good starting hands till they know they are really screwed.

I am sure that the other players knew I had a decent holding..

I'll give you the results after we let anyone else who wants to explaore this hand comment.

Thanks

so if T guy won't fold, is there any compelling reason not to make him pay more on 3rd? It's not like your gaining tons of value by underrepping your hand on 3rd, at least i don't see how. If you're going to wake up suddenly on some later street it will look all the stronger.

Making the pot huge on Third ensures that nobody will fold later, and while we like our hand on Third it is hardly invulnerable, and we will almost certainly want to try to get the pot heads-up later. Making the pot huge early makes that much more difficult.

+1

It seems like the two villains are not worried about you having trip 3's with your double bet on 4th. Aces up and trip threes play the same here.

Depending on reads, online I probably cap 4th and lead out 5th and reevaluate.

But Live, they are repping hands that beat your trip threes and being the nit that I am I calling 4th and then check calling 5th.

so...any peeks how the hand continiued ?

Im definitely raising 3rd. Why wkuld you want to charge those who chase. Makes 4th easier...as played im not folding.

Hello All,

Sorry haven't gotten back in the past few days. I get about as much play time on my pc as I get in the poker room nowadays.

This hand had me return to 2+2 cause it brought back memories of situation I hadn't seen in quite a long time. (albeit I rarely play now)

I'll review 3rd and 4th and post the rest of the hand with my thoughts.

3rd Street

ME -(AA)3
Player A -- 10
Player B -- Q

I bring it in for $3, A completes to $10, B makes it $20, I call, A makes it $30,B and me both call.


3rd Notes: Some have argued that I should have re-raised 3rd from the get go, While I don't find anything terrbile with that advice.. I do maintain that if I know I can't get the first raiser out, all I am doing is telling my oppenents what I have and making the pot bigger for them to catch.

4th Street

ME -(AA)3 -3
Player A -- 10 - Q
Player B -- Q - 10



I bet $20, A makes it $40, B makes it $60, I CAP at $80, call-call

4th Notes: Now I am NOT happy about player B making it $60. I was never worried about rolled 10's on third from player A, most players in a 10-20 live game would never open raise with rolled 10'.. So best I put him on was either the other pocket AA or KK or maybe Q's and 10's. Player B was problematic. On 3rd he could have easily re-raised with AA -KK himself. Would he three bet a paired doorcard with just a big pair? I RULED OUT rolled Queens cause he would have capped 3rd? I wasn't about to give up this early, but make no bones about it.. I was less than optmistic. Since I hate cold calling 2 bets.. I just capped it and at least represent the trips.

5th Street


ME -(AA)3 -3 - 3
Player A -- 10 - Q - 7
Player B -- Q - 10 - 7

I bet $20, A makes it $40, B makes it $60, I CAP at $80, call-call

Now I know exactly what both of them have now. I am sure you know now too.. but I will save a little suspense. P.S - A good debate at the end will be how players A & B played this hand.

U]6th Street[/U]


ME -(AA)3 -3 - 3 - A
Player A -- 10 - Q - 7 - 8
Player B -- Q - 10 - 7 - 7

I bet $20, A just calls (pissed off mind you) , B makes it $40, I make it $60, A very unhappily goes all in for the full amount, B caps it off (Does he think I am stupid? )


U]River[/U]

I bet $20 (A is all in..but mysteriously happy all of a sudden ) .. B looks at me and says "Really?" and just calls the $20


As I learned on 5th street (which you all know now)... Players A AND B both tripped up on 4th, but with the reverse of what you initially would think. Player A with the 10 as the doorcard tripped up with Queens.. and Player B with the Q as his doorcard tripped up with 10's. Player B filled up on 6th with 10's full of 7's. Player A did fill on the river with Q's full of 8's. And of course I won with Aces Full.

Now obviously I got lucky on 5th and 6th. I still debate my play on 4th, hence I came back to 2+2 after how many years. I think Player B was an idiot on 5th and 6th. And Player A did all he could to protect his hand..

I think I got all the details of the hand. FOrgot how much owrk it was to post these. Hope you enjoyed it.. Feelfree to respond with any comments, I will try and check back with any questions/comments you all have.

Thanks,
Chris

You followed the best universal poker advice -- draw super well.

+ a billion