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GOOD CHECK / BAD CHECK -- Straight made on 7th, 4-handed GOOD CHECK / BAD CHECK -- Straight made on 7th, 4-handed

01-18-2017 , 12:32 PM
HORSE tournament -- Stud Hi only round -- ante 25 / bring 50 / limits 200-400 / 9-handed

HERO stack ~6k (tournament starts 5k)

HERO HAND 789

Action rough recap (keep in mind, this question is about a 7th street decision to bet or not)

5 completes, 4 calls, hero calls, rando calls (pot 975)

4th: nothing for them, hero catches T for 789T, 5 bets 200, 3 other players call (pot 1775)

5th: 5 bets 400, everyone calls, other two players showing uncoordinated hands, like KJ4, K4A rainbow -- (pot 3375)

6th: 5 pairs showing 55xx (best hand showing), bets, everyone calls (pot 4975) (55: 'did anyone call?'), other two still uncoordinated

7th: 55 checks dark, HERO draws 6 for x5(6789T), 2nd to act player checks, HERO is 3rd to act, considers bet, decides to check, and tables the winner. 2nd place hand: KKK (last to act player), 55 either had set or two pair, can't recall.

Clearly faded boat(s) and maybe flushes, but here's the question:

Having put in 1200 of ~6000 stack, HERO is left with 4800 on 7th. Pot size is already 4975.

Q: It is more significant to:

1) Lose 800 on check-raised 7th, difference between 4800 and 4000

2) Gain an extra call or maybe two, difference between 9795 and 10,175 or 10,575

HERO logic: Not betting saves a potential call on a check-raise which would see stack decrease by 17%. The pot itself was already more than a double-up, and gaining an extra bet or two would only add ~7%-15% to 100%.

Agree or Disagree? Thx in advance
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01-18-2017 , 03:51 PM
Pretty rusty at stud hi, but I would bet. You seem convinced that if you get check raised you are both calling and beat. Must be some times you'll get check raised and are winning
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01-18-2017 , 07:28 PM
This is played too passively on a few streets. While you don't make it clear what cards are out after you and stuff, you should generally 2b 3 connected overs. 4th is another raise. You have an OESD and some fairly big cards. This isn't a semi-bluff - it's a straight equity push. On 5th you haven't made it clear where you are relative to the other players, but it could easily be another spot to push some equity by raising. River is absolutely a bet unless maybe multiple people had like 3-flushes showing
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01-19-2017 , 04:22 AM
Pretty clear bet, dark check on river is pretty weak
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01-19-2017 , 12:07 PM
Thx for input
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01-20-2017 , 03:36 PM
easy river bet here. you would have got two calls. have to think about that. if you get check raised then think about that.

also 789 isnt so hot a hand to start.
and the play of the hand of the 5 can give you a good clue as to whether he had trips or not.
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01-20-2017 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Zee
easy river bet here. you would have got two calls. have to think about that. if you get check raised then think about that.

also 789 isnt so hot a hand to start.
and the play of the hand of the 5 can give you a good clue as to whether he had trips or not.
789 not that hot, agreed - up cards were all under however -- good point on the 5, pretty sure I didn't process that at the time
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01-30-2017 , 06:27 PM
Agree on too passive on 4th street especially.

As far as river bet/check question, this is unquestionably a bet. Although it's easy to see this now after showdown, the KKK that was shown down was made on the river based on how the hand played out...(KKK prior would have been raising without question), and the 5 door card had a pocket pair (from QQ down), thus the "dark check", so you only dodged one full house draw. I understand and appreciate the analysis of the pot size with respect to stack size etc., but even in a tourney you need to get max value from your 5 card hands IMO
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