Never met a Chinese poker player myself.


It's surprisingly close to zero. I'd say 0.1%. It's hard to imagine until you spend some time in China.

How would you know that they don't speak English? They just won't reply in chat. Do note that the pokerstars software and website come in the Chinese language, so you can completely play poker on pokerstars without knowing a work of English.

Speaking about dumb argument, sheesh. They "should" post here? Maybe you should go advertise with them.

Let me ask you a question: have you ever seen a Chinese person post on a tech support forum, for software, hardware, etc? I've seen various Europeans, South-Americans, etc, on those forums. But never a Chinese person. You know why? Because it's a nation of more than 1 billion people, who do *everything* in Chinese. Again, this sounds weird to you until you actually spend time there, and see how they created a seperate information-sphere. They have their own version of Yahoo, Google, Youtube, Facebook, the works. They just don't interact with the western information-shpere, to a large extent.

By the way, I'm not saying that there's no collusion among Chinese players. I believe there definitely is collusion among them. I just don't think that the lack of posts on 2p2 from Chinese players is any evidence of that.

No, that's wrong by several orders of magnitude. The number of native English speakers in China is negligible. Hong Kong would have some, though, but it's probably not more than a couple hundred thousands.


"China has over 200~350 million users that can read English words but, as anyone can see on the streets of China, only handful of million who are English speakers." (TESOL-India, India: World's Second Largest English-Speaking Country)

Not happening, my friend. They don't roll that way. See my reply to snowboard789 above, about tech support forums.

If you force them to post on 2p2 for some reason, I'm sure they'll manage to do it. But unless you force them to, it's just not gonna happen. People there are very comfortable doing all of their online discussion and posting and what-not in Chinese websites, and generally don't venture out of it.

I think you're talking about something that you know nothing about. Comparing English in the Spanish-speaking world to English in the Chinese-speaking world is like comparing a bee-sting to a bullet-hit. You are just not able to appreciate the extent to which China is disconnected from the English-speaking world. That's ok, it's hard to imagine without specific knowledge of it. Let's just agree to disagree, and if at some point you get to talk to Chinese people or visit China, try to ask so,them about exposure to the western internet.

Isn't (or perhaps wasn't) much of the internet content restricted in China, maybe they can't even get to 2+2?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElgooG

2p2 is not blocked in China, at least right now:
http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteu...twoplustwo.com

eldodo you cannot understand the meaning of subsets. its that simple.
stars stud p;layers are a rare subset of chinese people. they play with americans, and surely they watch the big game and tom dwan play on the tv.

china has 10 million english speaking people as per wikipedia.

the odds that these stud players are in this 10 million is MUCH bigger than the total population percent, as it is the same with online traders and ambassadors.
do u understand this point or not

oh and for your information,

they reason they dont reply in chat is....

BOTS

im a software engineer, if i had thoughts to make a bot i surely would play a limit game that depends a lot on memory (dead cards) and math and NOT plo or some other crazy 27td type of game.

Feel like I have the equivalent of the Midas touch, but for starting superfluous discussions, whenever I post in Stud...

Please tell me what else I don't understand, since you seem to know so much about me.


At this point this has stopped being worth my time to answer. Citation needed.

You're being a condescending douchebag. Less than 1% of Chinese population speaks English. Yes, I can believe that 10% of Chinese stud players speak English. Even if 100% of Chinese stud players spoke English it wouldn't matter one bit, since even fluent English speaking Chinese people go to Chinese-language forums to discuss most subjects. It's nice that you're trying to tell them that they'll get better information in 2p2. Too bad they're not reading this.

Your theories are as well-founded as 9/11 conspiracy theories.

For the record, I also suspect that the Chinese players are colluders or bots. However, the absence of Chinese people from 2p2 provides no evidence of this.

You're speaking to me like a dick, so I'm done discussing this with you. If and when you have concrete information about where Chinese people do or do not discuss poker, PM me.

If you refer to my first post in this thread dodo, I just point out that the complete absence of Chinese posters in English-language forums where Stud is discussed as somewhat suspicious. You seem to understand the Chinese population's Internet habits as a collective. However, you don't offer any concrete information yourself regarding the habits of a particular subset of people that don't necessarily follow that mentality.

Comparing the information offered here to a tech forum isn't adequate, as information for routine technical issues can be obtained in a variety of places, whereas 'top tier' regular Stud discussion is basically limited to this place. You start out by attacking our supposed ignorance (which is really just an understanding of cultural nuances present everywhere) and base your entire platform on your experience in China. For all we know, you entered an exchange program with ****ing Rutgers to go Ni Hao it up for 3 months.

I just... don't think you're as worldly as you think you are.

Does 2+2 even get past the chinese firewall? I suppose it might, if pokerstars et al do.

cant discuss with someone that doesn't understand that <1% is in fact 10 million people.
you shouldn't play poker also i think.

on the subject of bots, i have 11 chinese players with more than 10K hands in my DB and only 2 of them are winners and not that big of a winner and the rest are big losers, that's gottabe a poorly-written bot. are you saying that some of them are not registered in other countries? that could be possible. but from playing alot with chinese players, i don't think they're doing anything wrong

No, I don't offer any such concrete information about this subset of people. From my experience with other specialized fields, they have their own venues in Chinese. However, I have no info whatsoever about venues for discussing poker in Chinese (I'll ask a colleague, though). Saying that, neither do you. We are both guessing. I feel that my guess is better-founded than yours, but as I said, in the absence of further information, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Everywhere is a big word.


I didn't provide you with the extent and nature of my stay in China, and I'm not intending to (if you were curious you could have asked). It is certainly your prerogative to assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

This is my last post on the subject without any more concrete information popping up, since, as you correctly point out, neither of us is working with any real data pertaining to the Chinese poker-playing (or even better, stud-playing) population.

yes we do have some data.
the don scandal and ftp paying off cheated players. thats a total 2 facts.

just sat down in the stud high games with the chinese. They swarm into the game as soon as I sat down as if an alarm bell went off. The second I sit out, they all sit out. I hit and ran them for 5bb. So proud of myself.

something interesting would be if these "players" can play alone or they need each other in the same table 100% of time

What do you mean with "can"? Being able to play? Being able to win? Willing to play?

maybe they dont have an edge without card exchange so they dont play alone

Wow, thihs is the first time I have been interested enough to read every post from the beginning in a 12 page thread. Very entertaining. I play stud on merge. There is only one Chinese player that I see. He is uber aggressive. Generally I love to have him in the game. I never fold to him. I have made a lot of money playing only good hands and calling him to the end. Of course he often gets lucky, but since he plays the same way with crap, he is my ATM. Any comments from this forum on stud at merge? or is there another thread on that?

Chinese players are the nuts!
I don't know what people are complaining about,i love having them at my table,but that is only in razz though.
Stud and stud8 not so sure but i could name 7 ot 8 chinese regs that are awful and in general they are great for the games

^completely agree, love them at my table. In fact, I often dont sit at tables who doesnt have at least one of those spewmachines. Somehow they think that playing 40% vpip and NEVER folding is +ev. I only stay away from them in 2-4 handed games, because their game strategy works better for shorthanded play, and its pretty high variance.

I actually prefer short handed with them, even better hu

How can you put all of them in the same category..that must be pretty ignorant.
There are a few spewtards,nits and tags among them and some of them are def skilled.

Theoretically you're right, but it's probably a pretty small player pool we're talking about. So it's certainly possible that this group of chinese regs are for the most part pretty bad and easy to beat, esp by employing a TAG strategy, and that's useful to know.

I honestly can say that even the strong regs i think i have edge.
I dont think they have played that much hu for example.

I on the other hand have played a ton of hu razz and am confident in my game.

jus saying its dangerous to assume every chinese is a spewtard .alot of them will adjust pretty well depending on their perceived image